Hirondelle21
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Pharma said:Hirondelle21 said:…zap in the microwave for 30s…great for travel. ‘merica, where people have a built-in microwave in their car! :smiley:Hahahaha! That made me laugh like a drain! I was thinking, of course, of travel allowances for liquids on planes, but I take your point
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Great help @Pharma Thank you. There’s some lovely swap outs in there that I hadn’t thought of and some which have rung bells.
As I said, ‘natural’ can be a moveable feast. I”m not going to get into that now (don’t light the touch paper), but so much of that is greenwash and marketing. Still, I try and do what I’m asked to do and just smile.
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@Bill_Toge Thanks. Great help. I’ll let everyone know how I get on.
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@Bill_Toge You’ve read my mind! TEC is the one that jumps out immediately.
However, I’ve also been thinking a lot about utilising plant based hydrocarbons (Vegelight 1214-LC was one of them). I’d be making more of a ‘dry oil’. That might work. I’ll give it a go if I can get some samples.
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Okay, quick update.
Tried the Pemulen EZ4U.
At 0.4% it does emulsify but the spray is rubbish. Just not fine enough. It has clogged up one spray head already and the other, well, the spray pattern is more of a glob than a mist. Looks a bit rank, if I’m honest.
At 0.2%, it emulsifies with a crap ton of mixing - a good 25 minutes (10 for the A phase of water and pemulen, 15 for the B into A phase). I’ve found best results by mixing the A phase for 5 minutes, letting it rest, mixing it again and then mixing in the B phase. Still a bit gloopy for what I want.
At 0.1% it’s separating, even with the staged mixing, which is a shame, because that’s the consistency that I need.
I may need to do some more tinkering - Xantham Gum? Triethyl Citrate perhaps?
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@EVchem You’re quite right about the production methods of polysorbates being the reason for the Prop 65 warning label. It isn’t the polysorbates themselves, but the *possible* contamination (sigh).
I have some Pemulen EZ4U (and I’m loving that name, btw, so… Walmart). It’s not a natural, but if I can say 99% natural (the Pemulen should give me a good, stable emulsion at only 0.4%), that should be good enough. I’ll give it a go and let you all know.
I’ve also tried with Symbio solv clear plus, but the max dermal limits are only 4-5% with a 1:4 fragrance to solubilizer ratio.
Why on EARTH have I decided to do this to myself??? Oh I know, because my life isn’t difficult enough.
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Sorry to jump in on this and I realise that I might be stating the bleeding obvious, but here goes. Different essential oils have different qualities and components (ie allergens, mutagens, etc). They’re the things you have to be careful of, not the oils per se. You don’t say where you are, but the EU has very strict guidelines which are a pretty good benchmark. A quick look at COSING will give you an idea of levels to look at. Make sure you know the composition of your essential oils (Geraniol, d Limonene, Linalool are common allergens to look out for and Methyl Eugenol is a real corker that is a component of Rose oils) and make sure that they are within the allowed dose. I would keep the oils as low as you can without sacrificing your composition and use a neutral oil. It might be idea to steer clear of Almond oil as a carrier what with the prevalence of nut allergies.
