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ngarayeva001 said:

Again, it might be contrintuitive but oils in shampoos don’t do what people normally expect. They don’t make hair smoother but just supress lather and compromise stability. The feeling that you want is achieved by using right surfactants and conditioners. Add 2% of honeyquat and you will see the difference. And don’t add any glucosides they tangle hair.

I have BTMS50 can I try that in place of honeyquat

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Doreen said:

@Hina_Alam
I found this document on the site of Lotioncrafter, hope it’s helpful for you.
(Under the section ‘SDS & Tech data’, the document I added is the ‘technical bulletin’).

Thanks a lot Doreen 

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KateCreates said:

I think you are going past the recommended oil rate for that emulsifier.  From the spec sheet:
“Olivem 1000 has been tested in a percentage range from 2 to 8 % with a lipid
phase from 5% to 25% at different polarity value.” 
and 
“From 4 to 5 % OLIVEM 1000 is able to emulsify a lipid phase from 5 to 25%,
obtaining from light emulsions to consistent creams.”

Olivem 900 is W/O and looks like it might be a better fit for the application.  

Can you point me towards a link which can give me idea on the usage of olivem 900

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Belassi said:

A 500g sample of henna just arrived from India. I intend trying it as a temporary hair tint in shampoo. There’s also another natural product I’d like to try, hibiscus flowers (deep purple-red) used commonly in the drink called ‘Jamaica’ here.
I realise this probably isn’t going to work but I learn from failures as well as successes.
Has anyone tried these ingredients for hair tinting and could give advice, eg about pH to use, etc?

Depends on what you are intending to do with it 
if you want it for color don’t use it in shampoo .
make a paste with hot water and little lemon juice and it will give a deep orange to red tint 
mix it with indigo powder and it will give brown to black shade .
i have used it since the time I was a teenager and wanted to experiment with hair colours 

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Perry said:

Sorry if my response came off as sounding irritated. It wasn’t meant that way at all. I wanted you to get answers that are helpful but without a specific question, it’s hard to know what information would help.

Thanks for being so understanding.
I have Reached to this formulation after trying a lot 
SMLI -5%
cocabetaine -10%
polyquat -2%
guar gum 2%
water to make it 100% 
essential oil -1%
This is Ok on hair …how can I improve it more in terms of conditioning without weighing my hair down 
Can I use BTMS 50 
and I have no idea about the cationic and anionic nature of ingredients … does this recipe looks balanced to you?

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@Perry 
The research paper is really helpful 
thanks 

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Perry said:

What information are you trying to find that you don’t have? Your question is too vague to give a good answer.  

Here is the safety information about SMLI - https://www.dropbox.com/s/5irtrckvue5w90p/SMLI-safety.pdf?dl=0

Keratin protein and Panthenol are water soluble and will simply be washed away during shampooing. They will not have any significant effect on your hair.  They are claims ingredients put into formulas for a good story. They don’t actually do anything (from a shampoo especially).

Hi 
I am not a chemist to have a good background knowledge 
i am doing research and working on few  ingredients to formulate something suitable and safe  for me .
My queries might be vague and not to the point but this is how we learn .
plz don’t answer if it irritates you . I am still working on how to combine ingredients depending on their cationic and anionic nature .
Thanks for bearing me ?

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@001 Thanks a lot 5% SLMI with 5% coca betaine is working well for my hair except conditioning issue .
will add polyquat and see .
do you suggest adding keratin protein powder and panthenol 

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I am not getting much information about SLMI except from the companies which are promoting this 
how can I know more about this as this surfectant is relatively new in the market

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ngarayeva001 said:

Is SLMI anionic? If so, don’t use cetrimonium. 2% of polyquat 7 should work. And don’t use more than 5% of decyl glucoside (you can skip it at all). Silicones are nice but you can make a good product without silicones if use cationics.

I think it is anionic .. I will check again I will go for polyquat , can I try honeyquat in place of cetrimonium chloride .
i again tried 10% of SLMI and 5% cocabetaine 
there was plenty of lather and good cleansing 
it seemed that even if I reduce the SLMI a little it will work but it was a disappointment for detangling 
will adding 2% of Argan oil  with polysorbate 80 work 
thanks for giving your time

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Belassi said:

Just try it and see.

That’s what I am doing wanted an expert guidance about what can I expect 

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ngarayeva001 said:

You will need a very strong preservative system with such approch. Hydrosols and infusions are bug food. I would recommend skipping it and adding a tiny amount of some plant extract for claims, unless you are willing to use parabens or diazodilinyl urea. Your hair will feel tangled  without  conditioning ingredients. Oil isn’t a conditioning ingredient. You need cationic polymers (or cetrimonium chloride if the formula is non-ionic). I am not aware of the existence of natural conditioners. Also natural isn’t a defined term. Everything is natural for me.

If I omit the herbal infusion completely and use distilled water  and use only SLMI and cocabetaine as primary and secondary surfactants and cetrimonium chloride as conditioner .will  the shampoo still work fine without many ingredients as want a Sulfate and silicon free product.