GeorgeBenson
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C12-15 alkyl benzoate Is my favorite emollient. I recently did a comparison between 5-6 different ones (thanks @Graillotion for the recommendations) and that was the clear winner. Haven’t tried alkyl lactate though.
butylene glycol was my least favorite, which surprised me because it’s in almost everything, and in seemingly high amounts.
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@Graillotion can butter pearls increase oil viscosity without making the oil opaque or cloudy?
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@Graillotion oh come on spill the beans, let us know which product you are referring to!
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@Graillotion When i see something like your example where a brand will call a preservative a structuring agent or something along those lines, i always assumed it was because for the natural-minded people ‘structuring agent’ sounds better than ‘preservative’. I never considered that perhaps in some situations they are trying to deflect attention away from their “secret weapon” in the formula.
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I like this website even though i’ve never purchased from them, because they carry all these obscure ingredients, which is exactly what i like, they just happen to not carry the same obscure ingredients i am constantly searching for…but one day i’m sure i’ll find a match there.
what else have you gotten from them? and what is polymethylsilsesquioxane used for?
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Great thanks for the info on that
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Thanks for the info.
the price is not a concern for me, i’d happily pay 2-3 times more if i could find somewhere to buy a small amount from.
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Same place as you, HBNO. I still haven’t used it in a formula yet though.
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You can just up your surfactant % for more foam, but also keep in mind that hair will foam a lot more than bare skin, so test it on hair/fur before writing it off completely.
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@Squinny thanks for the info, and that flora solve looks interesting…so it’s basically a solubilizer of unknown origin that can be listed in the ingredients as simply “fragrance”?
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@Graillotion I notice it has a smell that kinda reminds me of mosquito repellant, not terrible but not my favorite…at 2-3% does the smell usually carry through to the final product or is it masked by other oils/fragrances?
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@Graillotion thanks!
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Sorry to interrupt with my beginner questions, because i have never made a product like this one before, but can someone quickly explain to me where is the emulsifier in the ingredients that is allowing them to put both glycerin and oils together here? Carbomer?
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Great, thanks for the info.
Can TEC also be used as a solubilizer for fragrance oils in place of say, polysorbate 80? -
@MarkBroussard ahh ok i will try again with lower %’s you suggested, and then see how my skin reacts to that. Thanks.
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Yeah you know it actually works fine for me
in my conditioner as well. I will try it again in my shampoo using these different methods and hopefully it works this time. Thanks! -
@Paprik yes i am using guarcat from lotioncrafter and would use a glycerin slurry and neutralize it. Maybe i will try it again though, it’s been a while.
So for a shampoo for instance you would just add it straight into the water after the surfactants and any other water-containing ingredient, and mix? -
@Paprik i set aside maybe a fifth if the formula’s total water content. Then i proceed to mix the other surfactants with the majority of the water. Then I heat up the small portion of water and dissolve the sci. Then i mix that sci water back into the main batch of water and surfactants. Doing this gives me a clear and stable batch of shampoo every time. But if i were to leave that sci water out by itself for 20-30 minutes it would turn into a cloudy pasty mess. I’m not sure why this works but it works every time.
now if i could just figure out how to get cationic guar from precipitating out i would be a happy man…but i gave up on that a long time ago.
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I dont know anything about shampoo bars but in my liquid shampoo i heat water to 70 or 75 then add sci, mix a for a couple minutes and its nice and dissolved. But if you leave it out to cool for too long after that point it will start to become solid again.
@Microformulation thats sad
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I make a shampoo with the same surfactants. it’s a very nice combo. Salt is not going to help you here, you will have to use a thickener of some kind, as you have found out. Where do you live?
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Hmmm thats interesting, i have been using it a lot the past few days and BTMS-50 seems to melt for me at around 70C.
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I had a feeling this is the answer i would get. Does the same go for color boosting shampoos? Just marketing or is there something real happening with those?
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I dont know the answer to your question because i have never attempted to make laundry detergent. But i am curious, are these low levels of surfactant typical in laundry detergents?
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Yes i am and now i realize my
mistake, when searching prospector earlier i was searching for btms-50 and not the INCI. ????♂️ -
Very good info thank you.