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@ngarayeva001 actually yes the emulsifiers in that product are glyceryl stearate and triethanolstearate ( reaction of triethanolamine with stearic acid , carbomer needs just 0,75 % of TEA or less) even the book says that it is o/w emulsion so glyceryl stearate can not alone provide o/w emulsion )
so TEA is used as emulsifier with stearic acid i make the calculation of required hlb and hlb of emulsifiers and i found two near values . -
@Gunther according to my experience even in low level stearic acid genearally give waxy and flacking effect wich is not the case of fatty alcohol.
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@rodb1958 i have some sucess suspending oxides using vegetable oil , shea butter , beewax if you are interested to try it.
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Thanks a lot @Perry actually i use ingredients supplied by cosmetic ingredient suppliers ☺.
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@noorahfm you must work for that just to help you LABSA can be good in 2 % .
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hi again friends i want to know if does paraffin oil and Vasline means that they are high refined product cause from research i found that paraffin oil means high refined mineral oil and that vasline means high refined petrolatum . Thanks in advance .
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@amitvedakar waiting your success.
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@noorahfm you need to decrease the level of Labsa and increase the level of SLES.
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@Amitvedakar
for thickness problem may
decreasing level of cetostearyl alcohol and carbomer solve the problem.
For separation and slicky problem i guess it is emulsion’s problem so you should calculate you required hlb then use adequat emulsifiers. -
@esmail adding adequat amount of NaOh will not affect CDEA this order is proposed to know exactly how much you need NaOh without adding LABSA or citric acid .
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@esmail i suggest to add CDEA before Naoh why? because it will be easier to find adequat amount of Naoh so you just make 20% solution of soude and add littel by littel then check ph to reach wanted one.
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try hydroxyethylcellulose HEC @Rencelj
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Intersting link @perry
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@mikethair why do not increasing temperature around 100 degree C for reducing time of saponification ? i already did it in industriel batch with 70 kg of soap and i get good soap ( i think that best part of day is waste of time and money)
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@Ted actually with kaolin , beewax , butter or fatty acid and liquid oils you can make what you want even in web you can find some formulation about that.
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@MurtazaHakim for correction the best way i find that take for example 10 kg from your bad product then do correction with it for your case you need for sure acid to reduce ph as they said citric acid will be good choice then when you find the best quantity to add for correction , make your calculation to know adequat needed quantity for your batch.
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it depends on your formulation @KingRoland78
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@Rae i have experiences in such product for temperature hot process will be fine whatever temperature , higher temperature faster saponification in hot process i think 1 hour and half will be almost fine going at to 3 hours.
About steps it is always better cocking the diluating cause with time water will be evaporated if you want make diluating from start. -
thanks @Perry @ngarayeva001 @Bill_Toge @Gunther for your intersting answers.
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Update: About borax beewaxate the hlb is near to 4 because it is used for w/o emulsion and return to required hlb for paraffin liquid w/o emulsion we find 4 .
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Sorry for last comment it is private message.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G8edhMs2LLc
this the video of making desired product it sees that oil level is more then 50%
Even by my experience for desired effects oil level almost will be more then 50%
So you think i can not make my product with more then 50 % oils? -
@smok i think as members said it is easy to find such information in google so i have same thinking with @ngarayeva001 it is better for you to make researchements and efforts before ask for help. -
may be it is the adequat solution or use your extract with rose hydrosol it very healthy for skin @Nthabi_joy
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@Nthabi_joy i don’t think it is possible without emulsifier .