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@Pharma I know that fatty (alcohol and acid) are not electrolyte my question is if we add them to neutralized carbomer will they give some resistance to carbomer versus electrolyte? 

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@HAL49 yes you have right about there are a lot of types of carbomer but my question about not resistant electrolyte ones did fatty (alcohol/acid) make them more resistant?
 
 About adding stabilizing effect for sure fatty alcohol and acids give more stability for cream product and even about texture not always true that they have bad effect with carbomer, actually the kaolin cream have lovely texture and for sure stearic acid made the emulsion more stable. 

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@starlord13 as you said total active equal to  level of use of surfactant * concentration
As example for N70 if the level of use is 10% then active surfactant is =70*0.1=7

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@Dazed all ingredients listed can help however it is really waste using EO for shoes. 

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You are welcome @Abdullah

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Take a look @Cdsgames https://www.paulaschoice.com/expert-advice/skincare-advice/skin-care-myths/the-ultimate-guide-to-ph-and-your-skin.html

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@Abdullah generally hair wax  is a product has highest viscosity ,  fix instantly so no needed time for evaporation  as gel then it gives some matte finish. Is that answer for your question ? 

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 Yes right @Farah did you try pectine it is also natural alternative? 

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@Farah I guess it will be fine using high stiring and tea sieve. 

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No problem @Abdullah if you need help for such category i’am here????. 

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@farah did you know the gelifying agent in 

Kinky curly curling custard? It seems for me intersting

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@starlord13 yes good idea go on. 

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Thanks @Anca_Formulator for the video really interesting @Farah I guess even your initial product viscous it will work just add gum bit by bit then other idea in my mind just use half of the total amount of water for flaxseed then the other half to dilute the gum then mix both. 

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Fine @Abdullah whatever nice share from you and wish any one can give us explanation about that. 

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Thanks a lot @MarkBroussard 

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@MarkBroussard get it about affinity but the question will be why the pH of surfactant decreased moderately? 

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@Abdullah I read that ionic emulsifier are electrolyte sensitive , then have you an explanation how in your case Na CL make your cationic emulsifier more stable? 

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@Abdullah @Pharma @PhilGeis the strange thing for me that pH decreased moderately, my suspect  is the presence of surfactant?

 However I didn’t find scientific explanation any one have please? 

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You are welcome @amitvedakar 

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So generous @vitalys thanks a lot for your guidance it seems near to the interval of use for PVP ????

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Awesome input @vitalys it seems that it has more then fixing agent as benefits just if you can recommend level of use because I just find that it is up to 18% wich is large interval.

 Thanks a lot @Farah I will take a look just focusing on fixing effect I worked with very high viscous sugar syrop wich have remarkable superior fixing ability comparing to honey then no need to talk about economical difference.

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Have a long time from talking about that and really thanks a lot @Dirtnap1 @Chemist77 @Perry @Soexcited for your precious comments, so nearl I heard from professional chemist that panthenol have good effect for reducing flaking effect any one have an idea about that? @Abdullah 

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@Abdullah according to your expertise what input will you suggest even more then ingredient or unlisted? 

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@Pharma actually according to what they do in Europe, in Tunisia are more kind maybe because we have a lot aromatic plants ????????????, whatever nice joke from your part then keep giving interesting sciences and good jokes.
 @vitalys nice new input for me , have you made a successful hair styling gel using it? 

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 @Pharma so you didn’t find that good idea?
 Wasps are around the word, why just Europe? Hhh