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You are welcome @Abdullah
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Thanks a lot @ketchito very helpful what you are telling.
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Corn strach @Abdullah
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@Abdullah maybe some low cost powder can be choice.
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@ketchito actually I tried the product evry thing is fine viscosity, foam, conditioning effect and. no tear. The system cocoglucoside, CAPB can’t not reach acceptable viscosity with slat, may be there are other good thickners but I find DEA coco amide soo effective for both foam and viscosity. For famous brands I found that i’am in the good way the main ingredients are CAPB, glucoside coside derived.
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@Abdullah I guess may giving (better texture / reducing cost/more emollient product/reducing bubbles…)
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@ketchito if I make a try I will tell you i’am thinking about butyl glycol, MPG, peg 40 may dpg also
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Nice suggestion @ketchito
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@Abdullah
1)why you will not use DEA COCOAMIDE ?
2) no for perfume (alcoholic) and pq10 is already cationic guar.
3)why it is not recommended to use pq10?@ozgirl the product will be selled in Africa however it doesn’t matter for me, the most important thing is the ethic not the law. However I read a lot of official rapport wich prove the safety of DEA coco amide…
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@ketchito actually no I did not tried without peg40 but we decided to make it with sush transperancy.
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@AyaKhatib for creams @ngarayeva001 is better then me however I guess 1,5% CATC with adequate level of cetearaly alcohol can be stable but is it allowed sush level of CATC in leave in?
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@ngarayeva001 nice return for you ????, actually i agree with you for points 1 and 3 about emulsifier the combination between (stearic acid, cetearyl alcohol, peg40(solubilizer)) can lead to stable emulsion with that formulation I already heat it and then make it in fridge the emulsion is pretty stable (neutralised Carbomer helps also for better stability)
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Thanks a lot @Abdullah
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@AyaKhatib I see that your system is easy to thick with just adding slat so why using guar gum?
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@ketchito actually the combination cetearaly alcohol with cetrimonium chloride can work as emulsifier and can lead to stable emulsion.
@AyaKhatib I don’t think that it is allowed the level of 3% cetrimonium chloride for leave in then I just see only cetearaly alcohol as texture agent. -
@Abdullah I have in hand dimethicone 350 isn’t good for soaping?
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@Paprik for sure I made it, actually almost comments are positive about it however I find it greasy then even with dimethicone it still litel bit soaping, the texture is amazing good viscosity and good spreadability. I tried dimethicone for soaping effect and IPM for greasy effect but for me still not satisfied and about humectant just I forgot I already used MPG.
@Abdullah about emulsifier there is no precise ingredient however it is combination (Ctearyl alcohol +Stearic acid +peg40) can do the job of emulsifier
@Paprik actually Stearic acid is a texture agent not to transform it to emulsifier @ketchito if you want it will be TEA with Stearic acid better but as I said Stearic acid is in my formulation just for giving texture. -
@ketchito I tried to heat the product but unfortunately it did not work, may I will give try with xanthan gum????
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@Abdullah I found a lot of commercial shampoo a Johnson, Souplesse wich have main ingrédient CAPB then glucoside may be you got your result because the level of use of ingredients
@ketchito I tried your suggestion it is just perfect good transperancy, acceptable viscosity… So it is really very precious input thanks a lot.
Thanks @Perry @Paprik @”DRBOB@VERDIENT.BIZ” for your comments. -
@”DRBOB@VERDIENT.BIZ” what carbopol do you suggest?
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@ketchito I have I suspect that that the solubility of neutralised Carbomer decrease with the increasing of the concentration of coco glucoside something near to the solubility of Carbomer in alcohol, I will try hot process thanks a lot for the interesting suggestions.
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@Abdullah actually i’am developing it (shampoo without sulfate) so no I did not use continually and why you predict That it will be not cleaning properly and very drying?
@ketchito thanks for the input DEA I want shampoo free from sulfate and I have in hand Sodium lauroyl sarcosinate, so may adding it with salt help for viscosity?