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@Abdullah
1)why you will not use DEA COCOAMIDE ? 
2) no for perfume (alcoholic) and pq10 is already cationic guar. 
3)why it is not recommended to use pq10? 

@ozgirl the product will be selled in Africa however it doesn’t matter for me, the most important thing is the ethic not the law. However I read a lot of official rapport wich prove the safety of DEA coco amide… 

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@ketchito @Squinny what about using butyl glycol rinse-off cleanser I guess it is very strong cleansing agent? 

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@ketchito actually no I did not tried without peg40 but we decided to make it with sush transperancy. 

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@AyaKhatib  for creams @ngarayeva001 is better then me however I guess 1,5% CATC with adequate level of cetearaly alcohol can be stable but is it allowed sush level of CATC in leave in? 

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@ngarayeva001 nice return for you ????, actually i agree with you for points 1 and 3 about emulsifier the combination between (stearic acid, cetearyl alcohol, peg40(solubilizer)) can lead to stable emulsion with that formulation I already heat it and then make it in fridge the emulsion is pretty stable (neutralised Carbomer helps also  for better stability) 

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Thanks a lot @Abdullah 

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@AyaKhatib I see that your system is easy to thick with just adding slat so why using guar gum? 

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@ketchito actually the combination cetearaly alcohol with cetrimonium chloride can work as emulsifier and can lead to stable emulsion.
@AyaKhatib I don’t think that it is allowed the level of 3% cetrimonium chloride for leave in then I just see only cetearaly alcohol as texture agent. 

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@Abdullah I have in hand dimethicone 350 isn’t good for soaping? 

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@Paprik for sure I made it, actually almost comments are positive about it however I find it greasy then even with dimethicone it still litel bit soaping, the texture is amazing good viscosity and good spreadability. I tried dimethicone for soaping effect and IPM for greasy effect but for me still not satisfied and about humectant just I forgot I already used MPG.
@Abdullah about emulsifier there is no precise ingredient however it is combination (Ctearyl alcohol +Stearic acid +peg40) can do the job of emulsifier
@Paprik actually Stearic acid is a texture agent not to transform it to emulsifier @ketchito if  you want it will be  TEA with Stearic acid better but as I said Stearic acid is in my formulation just for giving texture. 

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@ketchito I tried to heat the product but unfortunately it did not work, may I will give try with xanthan gum????

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@Abdullah I found a lot of commercial shampoo a Johnson, Souplesse wich have main ingrédient CAPB then glucoside may be you got your result because the level of use of ingredients
@ketchito I tried your suggestion it is just perfect good transperancy, acceptable viscosity… So it is really very precious input thanks a lot. 
 Thanks @Perry @Paprik  @”DRBOB@VERDIENT.BIZ”   for your comments. 

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@Abdullah soo clear then what tension actif did you see not drying for free sulfate shampoo?
@Paprik thanks a lot 

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@”DRBOB@VERDIENT.BIZ” what carbopol do you suggest? 

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@ketchito I have I suspect that that the solubility of neutralised Carbomer decrease with the increasing of the concentration of coco glucoside something near to  the solubility of Carbomer in alcohol, I will try hot process thanks a lot for the interesting suggestions. 

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@Abdullah actually i’am developing it (shampoo without sulfate) so no I did not use continually and why you predict That it will be not cleaning properly and very drying?
@ketchito thanks for the input DEA  I want shampoo free from sulfate and I have in hand Sodium lauroyl sarcosinate, so may adding it with salt help for viscosity? 

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Make hair styling product which gives shining, restylible, high fixation, no flakes, smooth effect and thanks to Allah I did it. 

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@Paprik have you any explanation or suggestion? 

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@Paprik actually for economical reason and also accessibility i’am trying to keep my ingredients as much as possible , for the moment may I can interduce (sodium cocoamphoacetate, Sodium lauroyl sarcosinate), appriciate your input. 
@Abdullah the level of use of coco glucoside is 6%.(what ratio you recommend for xanthan and guar gums) 

 I see in humble and me that carrageenan is more recommended then xanthan gum for cleanser gel. 

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Thanks @Perry

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@RDchemist15 actually I know that almost Carbomer are electrolyte sensitive, just I want to see what it gives then I added slat to see if it will work for adding viscosity but unfortunately I did not (I have some success with system Carbomer,TEA, CAPB, N70  with adding slat it increase viscosity)
  I have as reflex xanthan gum, and cellulose so thanks for the input. 

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Nice add @chemicalmatt 

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@Pattsi hhh where are you from? I guess you are not Arabic  because they wrote يرفع من نشاط إعادة توليد الخلايا  wich is soo far from you understood and the product is made in PCR (China)
@ketchito thanks get it. 

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@tecnico3vinia as a reflection make the product in high purity Alcohol(wich has low density) determine the added volume wich is the volume of the solid then  Mesure the weight and that’s all. 

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@ketchito have you an explanation why in shampoo, carbomer can increase the viscosity however in hand gel the opposite?