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It’s safflower oil, jojoba oil, fractionated coconut oil which all seems fine and then when I add PEG 40 hydrogenated castor oil it seems to turn cloudy.  

It has vitamin E and Phenoxyethanol but I think it is the castor oil as I add these after. 

I’ve had it in a magnetic stirrer. 

Thanks for the help

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Pharma said:

DLR94 said:

…I will also research the antioxidants that you have mentioned.  

Don’t bother searching alpha-lipoic acid. It’s not an antioxidant when used in a cosmetic product. It requires biological/chemical activation which it won’t get in a bottle.

Else, keep on trying, mix stuff, see and learn!

Thank you! I have been trying quite a few different mixes. I have made a product that works really effectively at removing everything I need it to and it hasn’t separated but it’s quite turbid. 

What causes this? How can I fix it? I’m assuming that I will need to increase my emulfiser. 

Thanks again for all the help. ::smile:

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@sukimarmelaide

hi Suki! thank you so much. I have only just seen your comment. 

That makes total sense. I will also research the antioxidants that you have mentioned.  

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@Perry great thank you! 

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Thank you. It’s so hard fighting the ‘natural’ ‘dirty dozen’ brigade. I’ve decided to stick with the phenoxyethanol. 

Thank you both for your input @Pharma @Perry

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I also notice that tocopherol is in a lot of the ingredients for the different cleansing oils on the market I am currently looking at. 

Why would this ingredient be added?

I made a 20ml formular.

Safflower - 60%
Capric/Caprylic Triglycerides - 35%
Polysorbate 80- 5%

I used it to try and remove waterproof mascara, foundation, lipstick and SPF and it removed it ok. I’m going to gradually increase the polysorbate. 

Even if it is effective at removing makeup and cleansing the skin, can I really sell a product with 3 ingredients in? I feel like I am ripping people off… 

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@ngarayeva001 I bought polysorbate 80 and Polyglyceryl-4-Oleate. Was that pointless?

Would I only need Cithrol in the cleanser? 

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@imosca 

This is really helpful. Thank you. 

Hopefully it will be fun and not an expensive mess but we shall see…

 

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@Imosca

Thank you for your comment. I have been looking at my formulation based on other products that I have used and they have worked well. 

A few of them have safflower & sunflower in their products. As I don’t have a science background, is there a way I can find out which ingredients are more or less identical? I want to make a product that works and not put anything in for the sake of it, which is what I assume would be if I put both the safflower & sunflower in? 

Also as this is a first cleanse, I have a lot of male clients with dry skin and I know they don’t wear make-up, would this be a good cleansing solution for them if they didn’t use an aqueous surfactant cleanser afterwards? 

Thank you for all the help. I will look into the polysorbate. 

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Perfect thank you so much. Can I just say that you are all so helpful and I really appreciate the advice. 

I’m obviously not a chemist - so I have looked into the oils recommended and would this be an ok solution?

Safflower - 50%
Sunflower - 20%
Capric/Caprylic Triglycerides - 15%
Polyglyceryl-4 Oleate - 15%

The solution is to be pumped into hands and then directly onto face.

I have had a lot of clients asking me to make them an oil based cleanser and I do have quite a big following that I can sell to. I know this will be a very basic formulation to you all but it is only for me to make for my current clientele. 

  

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Thank you for the comments everyone. I will bin the natural and hopefully just make good products…  :#

Where could a get a formulation from? I know which oils I would like but I want to make sure that everything is fine to mix etc. I don’t have knowledge of chemistry I just know which products I would like to include… 

It would be a mix of safflower, jojoba and hemp? I only know from my industry that these are good oils but from a chemist background - are they going to do the job for removing makeup?

Thank you!

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@pharma @lmosca

Thank you both for your comments. So I should just forget about making a skincare brand because there’s no point  :tired_face:

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ngarayeva001 said:

First of all, sulfates are not used for this purpose anyway (at least I have never seen such a product). Fragrance-free is a good idea as many people are sensitive to fragrances.

But what makes you think that “natural” is good? You need to do more research on the “natural” concept. And when I say research I don’t mean reading EWG, but at least type word “natural” in the search function of this forum and spend 1-2 hours reading what people with a tag “professional chemist” or “pharmacist” say about the concept of natural.  Archive on this forum is a treasure and many don’t realise it. It’s free storage of knowledge and expertise.

Natural is not even a defined term. Even Ecocert certified ingredients are not natural. They don’t grow on trees. Synthetics are safer and perform better.

You don’t need to be a chemist to notice that oils do actually dissolve make-up better than surfactant based (read lathery and bubbly) cleansers. If you are interested in the reasons, when we say make-up we mostly mean foundation. I am generalising here but most foundations are made as w/o emulsions which are water-resistant. It’s much easier to break it with an oil cleanser. Like dissolves like. Similar is true about lipsticks that are mostly made of oils and waxes. It’s slightly more complex when it mascaras.

Anyway, the short answer to your question is Cithrol 10 GTIS by Croda which is sold here https://www.glamourcosmetics.it/gb/gc-glytris and they have international delivery.

There are other materials that would work (polysorbate 80 being one of them) but Cithrol 10 GTIS is the most bulletproof, others might perform better or worse depending on the type of oil.

Thank you for your comment.

When I mean natural for the oil I mean plant derived or from nuts. 

I have read a few posts on here regarding natural products being irritable and synthetics are better etc. but I want products that won’t pollute water or have a bad affect on the environment. 

Although synthetics perform better, can they have bad side effects in other aspects? 

I will look at the ingredients recommended thank you 

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I have a question about sulfates - are they OK? Why is there a sudden demand for SLS free?

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EVchem said:

the top post of the forum is where people can promote their businesses/services, I only saw one in UK http://www.jlpcosmetics.com/.

You could also go the route of hiring formulators, buying the formula itself, and then contracting but I think that would be slightly out of your budget for now. There’s also always private labeling, if you want to just test the water and see what kinds of products do well while still putting a brand name out there (that’s definitely the cheapest option but you’ll have the least freedom)

Thank you.

I am happy to do the private labeling for now if I can then progress into doing my own thing. I just want to provide quality products so as long as it is on the same lines as the products I want to provide I am happy to do this for now.

Do you know of any private labeling companies? 

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ngarayeva001 said:

Can you define “small MOQ”? Although it’s a bad idea to manufacture anything you want to sell yourself doing it in the UK would be even more difficult because DIY (repackagers) market here leans towards “natural”, “PEG-free” and other chemophobic ideas. you won’t be able to produce anything good enough to stand out unless you are willing to bring materials from the US, EU, Australia and other places. I am saying it because you asked about “suppliers”. You don’t need to know suppliers of, say, glycolic acid or retinol to start your skincare line, you need a formulator who will write a formula for you and a contract manufacturer who will manufacture the product for you.

Depending on price my small MOQ would be less
than £5,000 for my first product. I don’t know if that is possible. I just know
that I want to start a good skincare range.

 

My brand is high quality products to use in
conjunction with treatments I offer. But I don’t want to offer ‘gimmicks’ I
want all the ingredients to actually be beneficial.

 

Also as my experience and training has been
received from other facialist etc. and not chemists or other science
professionals, I don’t know if I have been fed fear-mongering information. I want
to produce as little environmental harm as possible and I don’t want to use
animal products except for lactic acid.

 

Where would I find the manufacturers?

 

Thank you this is really helpful.