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To avoid lawsuits and keep the claim on the label an asterisk with a clarification on the back will do the job. It became quite common after the “alcohol free” issue with deodorants with fatty alcohols years ago. But honestly, how many consumers read the back label in detail?. 1 out of 10? 1 out of 100?.
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Word on the street is that castro oil is great for beard growth. Comes with restrictions though…
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You are doing it backwards. Ideally you would hire a CFD company to design a machine to make your top sales product. Then you see if you can adapt the machine to make other products.
Spending money on a machine and then figure out what can you do with it is a wrong way of doing business.
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Wrong. There are standards for a reason.
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If you are doing it for yourself and you already run the numbers go ahead. Now, if you are going to sell the service to 3rd parties then i’d say your project is doomed already. A silly example. You are making your batch for yourself and 2 customers order you the same thing, but 2000 and 4000 pcs. You only have 2 customers and you can’t deliver already because you only have one 50l mixer and machinery to make small quantities. The way I see it, you haven’t started and you already fall short. You either invest to produce for other companies or just for yourself.
If in 6 months you need to invest in a 2nd filler or a 2nd reactor then you are losing money already. My advice would be to hire a consultant with experience, hire someone who knows how to make and develope a business plan for this niche and don’t rely on the opinion of a formulator.
Now matter how expert your formulator might be, making a product and making a business ain’t the same. To me, that list is some nerd’s wet dreams, -kind of mine too- not realistic for a successful lab. I’m sure im wrong, but you better hear it from someone who knows how to set up a successful lab, that’s the best investment you can make.
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Yup, that’s thixotropy. What you describe is commonly used on filling machines to accelerate the process. In this case, to make the user spend more. Cute trick right?.
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If I had to make a bet my money would be on a combo of cheap quality materials. Although I suspect the main issue is the CDEA. Surely soy, sunflower, palm or anything but cocoamide. Those damn long chains are only holding together because Urea is working as an hydrotrope and prevents a complete phase separation, but I don’t think it would hold a week in the oven. But to know for sure I recommend you do a knockout, start with the basics and add the rest of your ingredients one by one.
If you want to replace NP9 you could use an ethoxylated fatty alcohol, although you don’t actually need it. As for preservatives you should ask your suppliers what they can offer, most common is a MIT/CMIT combo.
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No, you shouldn’t add more, you should change fragrance/supplier. Depends on the product and storage, but at least 2 years.
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Well, for starters you are missing a key detail, what products will you produce and how many units. I take you will make small batches of small things like toners.
If so, that list seems OK, but for example, why do you need a centrifuge?. Will a 50l mixer be enough?. That’s only 1000 50ml units… If the batches are that small, why don’t you invest in a osmosis system?. You really need a fancy oven?. But again, without knowing what you are going to make it’s hard to say. -
What a shame there’s people who will continue to work like this and practically scam customers. We should have some sort of blacklist.
This explains a little the cold war between freelance formulators and contract manufacturers (at least the serious ones, and not the ones who like to have the customers on a leash).
If you have the chance to continue doing business (I hope you do) consider finding another contract manufacturer. Even if the formula was wrong and you got a bad advice, the manufacturer should have known better and offer you technical assistance.
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Yes, that’s normal. Hot water or a more hydrophilic co-surfactant will do the trick.
And no, it won’t remain a gel since its not a gel, just the material clumping due to its partial affinity with water.
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Nice topic. My evidence is observation. Double blind tests and consumers feedback. The most important thing I learned is pH should be balanced, although not just taking in consideration the skin, but how’s applied, for how long and how often, and more important, the materials being used. Surfactants will change dramatically their mechanism of action under different pH. Specially anionics. Actually, now that I think about it, I didn’t learn much. Just that making a little pH adjustment will come a long way on sensitive skin if harsh materials are being used.
Regarding this it’s interesting to observe the behaviour of big companies. For example Dove doesn’t care much regarding the pH of baby products. Or more precisely, they make a perfectly safe alkaline liquid soap, completely disregarding skin flora and new trends.
As the article says we need better science, and I dare to say that science exists, it’s just not available. One of the hardest things when formulating is to achieve the best performance with the lowest cost. I doubt companies that invested millions on research would allow data to go public.
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Now that I think about it my mother use to clean her cat’s eyes with it. Perhaps it wasn’t snake poison after all. Strange that a plant that has been consumed widely across the globe for centuries doesn’t have further research, or claims in cosmetics like aloe vera does.
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Also it could be filth, mould, the buggers of a sick employee or a portal to other dimension. The thing is you shouldn’t care. You got a bad batch from your supplier and you are holding the proof. Even if it’s nothing the customers won’t see it that way. As to why, it’s their job to find the answer. If I had a complaint like that I’d refund the client with an apology. That surely was a “send it anyway, perhaps they don’t notice it”.
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Transportation is a lottery, but perhaps you could improve the packaging. Adding polystyrene beads or something like that it’s the cheapest I can think of.
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Very. You need to consider the worst case scenario. A truck on the road under the sun can easily heat up to 50°, even more. I’d consider tweaking the formula a bit. Far better now than after losing an account and your reputation.
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Synergy could be another reason.
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That budget would make sense if you were to make in-house chromatography, but I doubt that’s the approach they have. It sounds nice, I’d love to have a space ship if I had tons of money to throw away, but non uniform bottles?? Come on!. As far as I know the best investment in your niche are formulas and raw materials that are hard to source or price is volatile.
Perhaps you should ask yourself if it’s worth your time or your services will be best used elsewhere.
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@theoracle there are powder fragrances.
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So what’s the purpose of the mg in the formula?.
If the remove the methoxycinnamate I guess you could also remove the Cetiol.
You can replace the mix with dimethicone, but you won’t get the same performance by any chance. In fact dimethicone is just a carrier, I doubt it has much effect other than viscosity. The hard work will come from the resin and the trimethicone. I guess it will be harder and more expensive to source those separately. See this.
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@Bill_Toge that’s interesting. And regarding temperature?. In my experience fatty alcohols will decrease viscosity above 35°, even using 1% or less.
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I’d use it to stabilize the mix. Considering you have more than 10 oils it wouldn’t be rare to see separation under different conditions.
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No. You will have to send it to Brookfield for maintenance, or a trusted local service. In the end sometimes is cheaper to buy a new one considering it’s old and doesn’t include spindles.
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It’s all possible, it could be the spindle, the product, the method… sometimes is hard to interpret the data, that’s why you will have to test it as much as possible and get as much data as you can. For example, do you move the spindle up and down on speed 0 or with movement?. Have you tried both?. At what speed?. What’s the difference?. Does it happen in all samples?. And if you mix it before?.
And of course you should ask the manufacturer what are the parameters they use and what are their results.