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Benz3ne said:

You should be able to tell to some degree whether the stirring method is incorporating air or not.
I’m guessing that the emulsion is otherwise stable, that it isn’t separating over time and therefore that the bubbles are just air?
Usually you don’t want any air/product/stirrer interface as that’s the most likely route for air to be incorporated. Deeper is usually better to avoid the stirrer dispersing air that is being ‘funnelled’ through the vortex.
You’ll still want it fast to ensure an emulsion is being formed effectively.

Thank you for input, with that being said how would I be able to incorporate the entire mixture as emulsions tend to stick to coolness of the glass and form a ring while being blended without causing air to incorporate it?

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I have whipped it with a kitchen aid, bubbles

I have used an immersion blender, air bubble

I have used an immersion blender a bit, whisked and flipped, air bubbles

Before it’s in the jar I dont notice any bubbles its usually really smooth aside from the herb bits

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klangridge said:

@curlmaster211 The largest difference is usually a wash-off will have a higher % of cationic surfactants and oils, and a higher viscosity, because a lot of it will be washed away and the nature of washing dilutes it on the hair. A leave-on product will have lower oil, surfactant and thickeners so it spreads more easily on the hair and doesn’t appear too heavy when the hair is styled. I have been known to massage a very small amount of wash-off conditioner into the lengths of wet hair as a leave-on treatment! 

Leave-on products might also cut out say 2 of 3 cationic emulsifiers - for example if the wash-off product contains cetearyl alcohol, behenyltrimonium chloride and cetrimonium chloride, the leave-on might just use a lower level of behentrimonium chloride and remove the other two. There are also some ingredients which would not stay well attached to the hair if used in a wash-off product, such as UV absorbers, heat protectants or ingredients which give hold (PVP’s, VP/VA Copolymers etc) which might be more suited to a leave-on styling product.

An afterthought: @Perry I wonder if they have included the cationics in the “17% emulsifier + butter” to keep the exact formulation private.

That’s the most help I have been able to receive in weeks, thank you for your take. & you are correct there is a lot going into the conditioner that I left out I just wanted to include the more chemical-y ingredients rather than list all 20+ herbs and butters and whatnots

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Perry said:

Honestly, you don’t have any ingredients in your formula that would make this a “great” conditioner.  Panthenol, silk amino acids and honeyquat are just claims ingredients.  

If you want to make a great conditioner you’ll need a cationic surfactant, cationic polymer and a silicone.

As this is for curly hair, a silicone wouldn’t be in my best interest for todays market but I have been looking into alternative silicones. This was more like a general starting base before I go wild. I just am confused as to what ingredients separate different sorts of conditioner. I don’t know where to start in regards to chem terms.