[Chemist77]

Knock off 25% each of the beeswax and lanolin, add it to castor oil and take it from there if you have to go up or low in waxes and lanolin. 

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Luviset One, read about it and I am sure you would have some ideas.

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They won’t register with a personal id, my current id is my company’s and consequently I am restricted to much of the site. Occupational hazard!!!!

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@Perry what about the email id that gotta be registered with them?????

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How about the pigments you are using, regular or treated/coated????? long back when I was still doing color cosmetics we had similar formulations based on Abils and it worked great with treated pigments, ours were from Daito kasei IIRC.

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And if you are an individual the bad news is that you can’t have an account there. It has to be a company/firm account. 

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And please neutralize the LABSA using KOH or NaOH solution, then you go as per the instructions of Bob & Belassi. Still if you have trouble I would suggest using a betaine here, optimize.  

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Remove the chilli powder from the formula. It should work!!!!!

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You need to remove the chilli powder also from the formula, it adds to that smell. 

What’s wrong with posting complete information if you need a proper reply?????? Please understand that the people interacting on this forum are too well informed to copy any idea or formula, understand this and then post the question.

Hope that opens up your mind a bit.

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Agarwood and which generally comes from Cambodia, Indonesia and some eastern parts of India (though I am unaware of other places of origin), older the wine better the price is how it goes. Just like the rose absolute which is very rare and as far as I know comes majorly from Bulgaria, Taif (Saudi Arabia) & India. Have literally seen people doing such heavy transactions, Imagine the fake agarwood that comes from Indonesia is sold for USD 2000/kg and which sells in tons and tons. 

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Have seen in Middle East people buying oud wood at USD 50000/kg and as Bill said even the rose absolute is almost there up at the top. 

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Sorry but I never came across such time of calculations and equations, I am more into the traditional things like an elevated temperature study in oven. 

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That’s one thing you can do as well but again it’s better to have a complete approach. 

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Don’t see an issue with that, provided you have good ovens and other supporting tools. 

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Also these are pearlized/opaque shampoos where certain mild incompatibilities remain well hidden, the cationics in question are listed post fragrance and this could be anything between 0.01 (0.001 for that matter) to below 1%. Whatever small amount of complexation takes place between the opposite charges gets properly dispersed in the formulation and you don’t see anything out of place. 

Correct???

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Why don’t you try and see then, but for polyquats I am not that hopeful since this preparation is strongly anionic. 

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All I can say is that it is synergistic thickening with the fatty alcohols that you have used, when they say 1-2% it means active substance. Since generally it is 30% solution you could use between 4-6% if suggested by the MSDS for the active. 

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Supracare 425 from Dow Chemicals should help you for moisturization, it’s a a high MW PEG polymer, as for lactic acid I have heard about it but not sure why and how much you would need that. It is anyway a dish wash detergent and it’s just a new gimmick, severe shortage of novel ideas here. 

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Or just add a little glycerl stearate there say 1-2%, should work. Also if that cetrimonium chloride is 30% that you are referring to, then make it at least 5% so that the final formula has at least 1.5%. Will help in emulsifying the formulation too. Check the pH as well, important here. 

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I used it in a mild emulsion and it worked out just fine, let me know if you need the formulation as well. Don’t mind sharing it and if it works out fine for you with few tweaks and modifications depending on the RM availability in your country. 

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I vouch for Cera Bellina, great stuff to work with. Have used it in one of my creams and had no issue whatsoever, the cream was anhydrous with lots of titanium dioxide.

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If there was a solution we would have it by now, so it’s the same emulsions and the best for the time being. Surely research must be going on!!!!

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Thanks Mark that is some great insight, appreciated much. 

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@MarkBroussard

I completely agree with you in general but isn’t there anyone who must have raised this query to the manufactures of such ingredients???? I mean even the companies are selling them as preserved so I am wondering how is it possible to sell a deactivated active?????

Case in point Repair Complex CLR PF preserved with phenoxyethanol and sodium benzoate. 

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There was a range from BASF too, IIRC, called Sicopearl but as Bob said very very expensive.