[Chemist5000]

Wow thanks!
Do you know anything about formulating with this?  

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@Doreen
THanks!

I am still rather confused about this raw material.  Do you know where I can get this material?  Does a product made with this material require a prescription?  

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Think about it this way…. does the music industry just allow other artists to sing and produce songs from other artists with out the proper consent and royalties???  Do you remember Napster???

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@ozgirl
Hydrogenated castor oil (castor wax) how is that difference caster seed oil?  Why would they mention this separately on the ingredient list?

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Goodness all this good information.  
@Microformulation… Thank you so much for the CBD info!!!!  Reading it now!!

totally understand about the NDA … but could you help with the math portion?  Sometimes I can’t see the forest for the trees.

how do you figure the amount of CBD oil to put in a batch to have …50 mg in an ounce.  

[Chemist5000]

if you go to pinterest there tons of DIY bath bomb recipes. otherwise you can follow @Belassi

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@Perry, its funny you would say the parabens are vegan… All the social justice warriors and “hug a tree natural” people would cringe at the thought even though its true.  

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So if my solids are too low… what does that mean.

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I am not understanding the theory behind what you are saying.  Yes I understand the calculations and such but I am missing the theory in your explanation.  is there something I can read that would explain it better? Thanks for helping me.

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I am not sure how to do that…at the risk of sounding silly…why is that important?

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Ok this is my revised formula…

water-63%
caltaine-21%
iselux-9%
Decyl glucoside-3.5%
Guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride-0.2%
Extracts-0.8%
Peppermint oil=0.6
Lemon oil-0.5%
lavender oil-0.2%
mikkrokil-1.00%

My final pH was 5.5 and I noticed white specs that “salted out”.  If I left the pH closer to 6.0 would that stop it?

I noticed the product is stringy? is this normal with sulfate free systems?
When I put this on 55C stability it started to separate.  At the 40C ok. I understand at higher temps in a shampoo this may happen but how do you tell if you formula is stable on stability?

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@David Thank you so much!  I am just trying to please the business folks that read all the consumer blogs about how horrible sulfates are for everybody. This project causing me to learn about sulfate free systems…

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@DAS I am trying to be sulfate free.  I am happy to get rid of the glycerin.  
I would be happy to change the preservative to mikrokil cos if I can have the pH a little lower than 5.5.  Everything seems to break viscosity going lower to 6.0

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@Belassi
I like your suggestions. I was using the SF-1 to help thicken the system.  I have tried so many different ways to thicken it without the Sf-1. Honestly I have not produced a crystal clear product yet.  I am basically using products that are inhouse.  

Is there a polyethylene gel thickener you could recommend?  What pH should I strive for?  I have seen formulations with pH 5.5 and as high as pH 6.4.

[Chemist5000]

Update…
I am finding that trying to use salt to do any small thickening is next to impossible… doesn’t work for me. 

I also noticed when I try to adjust my pH (10% Citric Soln) toward 5.5 the viscosity thins down the system.

when I add my premix it also thins the viscosity.  I a trying to keep this clear or as close to slightly hazy as possible.  Right about now I would be happy for any type of thickening and foaming.

Will a sulfate free surfactant have the potential to get as thick as a SLS? 

water-            54.4%
Aqua SF-1 -     3.0%
Glycerin-          4.7%
iselux sfs -           30.0%
Caltaine 35-     3.00%
NaOH            -  0.5%

Premix 
tego 61-           5.00%
sage oil -          0.1%
Rosemary Oil-   0.4%
Peppermint Oil-0.6%

Ginseng Ext-     0.1%
Cucumber Ext-  0.1%
chamomile Ext- 0.1%
preservative       0.6%
Citric Acid - qs
Sodium Chloride -qs

[Chemist5000]

is there a suggestion for a water soluble menthyl lactate or something that will cause a tingle effect?

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I haven’t used it in a formulation but only tested the feel on my skin.  It doesn’t seem to have the slip like a regular silicone.  It absorbed very quickly.  I really need the long term slip.  this was with the 350

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@Belassi
Take your time to heal!  My mother had that don’t back in the 80’s when it was something new.  

[Chemist5000]

I don’t mind using Aqua Sf-1. So how do you explain Aqua SF-1 not being “natural.”  Did you have to neutralize the Aculyn 22 in your formulation? What was the final pH

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This is not final concentration.  I am just starting there.

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in a sulfate free surfactant system do you need a rheology modifier to thicken it up?  Something beyond xanthan gum or HPMC?

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@Chemist77 will the iselux sfs sb thicken up with salt?  I am not stuck on iselux as a surfactant.  I am trying to make a natural ( as much as possible) shower gel by using a non sulfate surfactant system.  

[Chemist5000]

Thanks for asking. Yes a water based serum that be used on the on the privates as well other areas. 

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is there anything else I can use that is propanediol or oil based? 

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This is for the Asian market. A non alcoholic spray.  I am trying to dissolve it with no luck…