[arizona1az420]

Thanks for the advice on using the point of interest website! A lot of good info there!

[arizona1az420]

Thanks for all the comments and suggestions! I will try raising the temp of the primary surfactant to 70-75c, which I’m assuming will be sodium laureth sulfate. I was also told (pm) to separately mix the glycol distearate and laureth 4 at 70-75c, then mix into the rest of the mix with it at the same temp?

Belassi I will try your suggestion at raising the temp of the sodium laureth, then raising the temp of the glycol distearate, then mix together. Do you think I should have the laureth 4 with the glycol distearate when I raise the temp?

Bobzchemist I like your suggestion of doing the shampoo and conditioner separately. I will probably do that eventually, because I will most likely fail at this, but will try the shampoo/conditioner first. If I do go to the option of separating it into a shampoo and conditioner I would like to use the same ingredients, just need to figure out which one’s are shampoo ingredients, and which ones are conditioner. I have it wrote down somewhere just need to find it.

 

[arizona1az420]

Ok thank you I’ll look into that. Being this is a 3 in 1 shampoo/conditioner and body soap formula with glycol disterate shouldn’t there be some heating? I tried mixing this batch before and could never get the white flakes of the glycol distearate to disappear? I also use all liquid ingredients, besides the glycol distearate and citric acid.

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After looking around and researching mixers more I have some questions. I’ve noticed that the name brands are probably better to go with, than a cheaper overhead mixer. Some suggested brands were IKA, biospec, and LabX. I will spend in the area of $1,000 if needed, but I need something I know will work and will guarantee a shampoo/conditioner mix without much trouble. Will it be a High Shear from LabX to do it, I really have no idea but it seems like it would be a good option? I also will need heat for this mix. The ingredients are…Water, sodium laureth sulfate, cocamidopropyl betain, glycerin, decyl glucoside, DMDM hydantoin, glycol distearate, Polyquaternium 7, laureth-4, citric acid, tetrasodium EDTA, panthenol, fragrance, color dies. It seems so easy to mix ingredients, but just thinking about how to go about this without my wife killing me for experimenting too much with it. I would also pay someone if they could mix these ingredients successfully into a quality shampoo/conditioner soap and show me how they did it. Pay would depend on agreed on price for what’s provided. So I really need this to work, and need a mixer that will give me the best opportunity to guarantee a solution the quickest. Thanks again for all the help with everything so far, I just want to be very confident in the mixer selection I’m making before buying.  

Also does anyone happen to know if there is a solution somewhat close to these ingredients where I can see how they went about mixing/heating them? I’m just guessing by what I’ve read, but I’m thinking it’s going to be a three step mix. Part 1 set of ingredients, part 2 heat glycol disterate 75c with laureth 4, then mix with part 1, then mix in part 3 ingredients. Unsure, but just trying to figure out how to go about it. 

[arizona1az420]

Ok sounds good and thanks for the info. I plan to buy a mixer like the one you posted, just undecided on which one I want to go with… 

[arizona1az420]

Thanks for all the good advice! Bobzchemist if I purchase the variable speed Electric overhead Lab agitator with controllable Uniform hotplate below (the one on your last post). I would add all my main ingredients including distilled water and start mixing while leaving out the laureth-4 and glycol disterate? Or would I heat those two ingredients separately @75c then add them in later? Does anybody have experience with this type of mixer, and if the quality of the shampoo/conditioner compares to a big manufacture?

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I have a comment box at the bottom, thanks for the information and advice on this. I didn’t mix these ingredients yet, just wanted to get advice on how to go about mixing a batch like this properly before mixing. I got some good advice from a member on here through messages about the process of mixing these ingredients. They informed me that all are water soluble and depending on each ingredient should mix in at 300 rpm in 2-10 minutes and some would take longer to dissolve in. Basically they said I could use certain types of mixers from the kitchen for this batch and blade shouldn’t be much of an issue, but will find out soon. Also just a basic electronic $15 ph meter should work by placing shampoo on the end when finished mixing.