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  @stephanm   Pls check your inbox, you got PM

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 @Bill_Toge , thank you so much,  You are far much better than a god, You are human.

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Checked  the NaOH purity?

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Just a head up here, as Belassi suggested, go to China and check in-situ for what you need and want. Oftentimes, many indelicate companies would ship to you what they want and  what you probably don’t need.

Quality is near to nil if  you aren’t present in the factory, avoid the so called middlemen as much as you can. HTH

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    @kamalkm,
I have heard of Milk Of Magnesium based deo’s. You might try that.

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@Perry, Thank you. This thread is now considered as dead and ending its life here.
T.I.A
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@johnb,  thank you for  the head up, never thought of  it that way, guess I am still a bit too naive or  is it age ??? lol…

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Hi Luis,
Please check your mailbox, you got a PM

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Done + best wishes

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Rosemary extract is usually used as an antioxidant to prevent oils and fats from going rancid. AFAIK, it is not used as a preservative.

A member on this  list (Dr. Mike Thair), makes liquid soap with no preservative, he might chime in and give you more accurate advice. HTH

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Thanks a bunch Johnb, great link and valuable facts.

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@ Cleanwax,
I apologize, very sorry, my mistake, I simply omitted to add up either the beeswax or the castor oil. You are correct; once again, my apology.

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@ Cleanwax 

Your formula is incomplete as is. Your totals don’t add  up to 100%, you got only 85.98%. You still need abt. 14% to fill in your formula before you start troubleshooting.

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@luiscuevasii      Pls check your inbox.

Cheers,
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@Belassi, Cute idea, thanks a bunch. I will forward it to Luis when he visits this forum and hear  what he thinks about it.

@Bobzchemist ,many thanks again for shedding some  more  light on this matter.

Indeed, I’m aware of  the “homecrafter’s” soaping  both the (C.P) Cold Process and (H.P) Hot Process.

Yeah, both processes are less involving then  the Marseille Process. The C.P is a  mixture  of NaOH + water + fats = soap + glycerin, demands no heat but takes sveral weeks to dry.

The H.P  follows  the same pattern but  demands  heat and requires shorter drying  time instead.

At this time I am making C.P soap (5 Lbs) blocks  100% pomace,  25 blocks  drying on  the racks right  now.

I also make 100% pomace soap gel (using KOH instead of NaOH) which can further be diluted to make liquid soap.

The tallow/pomace combo is also interesting, I looked at it earlier and  plan to give  it a try once I can find  a steady continuous tallow supply.

3) Consider taking the olive oil soap and reversing the reaction to get
some of the oleic acid out of your mix (that’s what makes the soap
soft), and then re-saponifying what’s left.

Sir Bob,this seems to be a smart hint that I was unaware of, could you please,  if your time allows it of  course, give some  pointers to put  me on  the right  direction in my researches.

in advance, I humbly thank your  kind self and  each and  every single  one that might contribute  with a  word  of caution  or advice.

Ameen.

P.S  My desire to make soap noodles is beacuse I want to put together a full concept i.e I have a complete set of drawings to get made  soap extruders locally, that I can sell to individuals that want to start a small scale soaping business. I will be  offering the soap extruder + the soap making training + the soap noodles once I can make  them,  I will also stay  available to help the future soapers until they can do on  their own.

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@Bobzchemist Thank you endlessly for your generosity to share of your  knowledge concerning  the “Soap noodles production”, very helpful.

For what is worth,  according to
what I have been reading  on the different
 French sites, these are  the  last
4 soaperies  still perpetuating the  traditional 
cauldron soaping  a.k.a the
Marseille Soaping Process.

These producers are all based in the Marseille (France) region, hence
the  name: Marseille Soaping Process:  Hot soaping process in open cauldrons.

-         
Savonnerie
Fer à Cheval, à Marseille. Here is  the
production video : http://www.savondemarseille-lewebdoc.com/fabrication.html

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Savonnerie
Marius Fabre, à Salon-de-Provence :

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http://www.marius-fabre.com/en/content/32-making-marseilles-soap

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Savonnerie
du Midi, à Marseille :

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http://www.savonneriedumidi.fr/en

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Savonnerie
Le Sérail, à Marseille :

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http://www.savon-leserail.com/fabrication  (for 
the English page, they refer to the google translation).

The  Marseille Soap Process must
follow  these steps:

 Cooking Marseilles soap

It takes fourteen days to produce real
Marseilles soap, at Marius Fabre soap factory.

 The Marseilles process or “full fire” heating : A vat contains
30 tons of soap

Stage 1 • Saponification or paste producing

The vegetable oils and soda wash are mixed together in a large vat which
can contain 20 tons of raw materials. Under the action of soda and heat, the
oils gradually become soap paste. This chemical reaction is the saponification
or paste production.

Stage 2 • Rinsing or cleansing

The soap paste is rinsed several times with salt water to remove the remaining
soda.

Stage 3 • Heating process

The paste is heated at 100 °C for ten days. Heating starts up every morning and
is turned off every night.

Stage 4 • Liquifying

The paste is then rinsed several times with fresh water, to remove all
impurities, thus earning the name “extra pure”. Being more liquid, the paste is
then allowed to settle during 2 days.

Pouring
the soap paste

Stage 5 • Pouring
off the hot soap paste

While still hot
(between 50 and 70 °C), the soap paste is poured into the huge cooling tanks,
by means of an articulated wooden feed pipe, called “goulotte”.

Drying Marseille soap

Stage 6 • Drying
out

The soap is left to
dry for 48 hours in a room. When the Mistral wind blows, the windows facing
North are opened and the wind shortens the drying-out process.

Stage 7 • Cutting
up

Once dry, the soap
is cut, in the moulds, into 35 kilo blocks by a wheel-operated blade. 
These blocks are then cut up in a machine producing 2.5 kilos, I kilo, 600g,
500g and 400g blocks.

Moulding Marseilles soap

Etape 8 : Le moulage

There
are two ways of stamping : hand-stamping on bars or in a machine mould for
cubes. Cubes are stamped on all six sides, the traditional sign of “Marseilles
soap”.

From Stage 6, the soap can be vacuum dried to make soap noodles or 3
mill roll dried to make soap chips.

The concentration of  the brine solution
for washing the soap is:
360grs NaCl/L  water .

@luiscuevasii, I live in a mafiocracy where the change rate hardly exists for the average everyday people and the  average salary here is  about USD $250/month. The rules exist so  that we, the  vast majority should  not break at any rates, while  the mafiocrates have “carte blanche” over us. We are at the merci of friends and relatives that live abroad to “help” with change and foreign currency because we can’t place orders from outside our borders otherwise.

As mentioned before, we have huge access to cheap pomace olive oil and that encourages me to produce soap noddles based  on pomace.

I would be very thankful if you could share your set-up so that we could exchange notes in this issue.

Thankfully,
Ameen

N.B Any member on this forum is thankfully welcome to share any piece of knowledge/info to make this  task possible.

Thank you again Bobzchemist for what you shared previously about  the soap noodles.

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Luis,

Unless I’m out of subject, I think you are thinking of  the ” Marseille Soap” or  the “Aleppo Soap” process  i.e huge cauldrons, soap cooking for several days, washing the soap mass with salt water to separate the soap from glycerine, lye and other impurities, then  filling that soap into cement square/rectangular molds built directly on the floor in  ventilated room where the soap is left to dry a few weeks before it is then cut into blocks and bars into different sizes and  put again to dry further.

If that is what you have  in mind then you don’t need the soap extruder. If  your  idea is to use the soap extruder, then your  best approach is to have the soap noodles made to your spec’s and start your soap production.

On the other hand, if you are keen on using your locally available oils ( you mentioned palm and coconut oils), which I encourage you to do, it saves you money, transports and CO2 emissions in the air we breath and at the same time, gives also an income to your  local producers, then making your  own soap noodles will also help you sell that as a raw material to other soapers.

Producing your own noodles will give  you  a lot more advantages, you can offer soap making training classes and also sell to your “students” a whole concept i.e learning  the soaping  skills, buying from you the raw materials (soap noodles, colorants, scents, a soap extruder), I can share with you the basic drawings for the extruder if you can get  the parts made at your end  in a mechanical workshop. Feel free to P.M me if you  feel more comfortable with that.

You are lucky  to have palm and coconut oils easily available, at my end, we are drowning in pomace olive oil instead.

Again, I am of no further help for the soap noodles production because I am still trying to learn it but the info. is very scarce on the net as far as I could  understand.

Hope this helps,
Ameen

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Hola Luis,

A few years ago, I made a  small soap extruder (ordered the different parts from mechanical workshops) for a friend, he was a step above the “artisan” level.

The extruder consisted of an electric engine with a speed reducer block, a barrel house to accomodate the feeding/extruding screw at which end, there was a “shaping” block with a  warming collar to keep the soap mass flowing and pass through  the die. On top of  the barrel, there was a  funnel to feed  the soap mass to the  feeding/extruding screw.

He was using soap noodles made in Malaysia. He  produced long soap sticks  that he then cut into different bars (hotel amunities and public users).

He had different scents, different colors, different bar sizes and also different packages.

Your thinking line is interesting and I’m positive  you’ll come over this issue and be soon running your business.

Many knowledgeable people  on this  forum  could put you  on  the right track. A.F.A I’m concerned, I’ll be following this development closely.

HTH,
Ameen

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@ BobbiBenski

Solubility of Glabridin 40 in various solvents

 
http://asia.in-cosmetics.com/__novadocuments/12986

Hope this helps
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@Perry, Thank you a  bunch  for  this piece  of  knowledge.
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Try to check Etsy, People Per Hour, Guru and many other freelancers;

Hope this helps
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     @Belassi   Can this  be  of  interest ?

http://cosmetics.specialchem.com/product/i-ashland-specialty-chemical-isp-colorflow-103-liquid-crystal   

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@Bob…… yes, cooking oil has many uses but unfortunately, cooking oil is not available as such in this maffiocracy here, university and hospital and restaurant kitchens do not discard  oil after  the  first or second  cooking, they simply add new oil  when they see  the oil level diminuish in the frying pans, some have  not changed oils for  periods  of years therefore there is no cooking oil available for recycling……….. there is  no controling authority and  no supervising hierarchy to take care of such control. The only laws that exist here are those that are defined by the ruling maffia and these rules and laws are light years away from what is good and beneficial for us simple citizens.

@chickenskin U R  by far much greater than a god…..U R Human.

Thanks Bob, thanks Chickenskin for your  inputs.

Ameen
Retired French language teacher

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@Microformulation, @Belassi, @Bob, thank you all ever so much for eretaking your time answering my question.

Pity that chemistry/technology did not yet come up with a way to tacle such a big problem, I guess I will simply wait nicely and see what happens.

I live in a place ruled  by a Maffiocracy where everything is decided in dark rooms  above our heads with no consideration for  the real people that must struggle daily for just existing.

A place where private initiatives and entrepreneurship are empty words  that  are an abstract threat to the ruling Maffia,  waiting for Godot……….

Ameen
Retired French language teacher

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Hi all,

Welcome Wolf, welccome Dina.

Att: Perry, thank you so much for creating such a wonderful and helpful website and also for allowing us to join it.

I am a bit confused about whether to tell a member here publically that they got a PM  in their box or just send a PM to them and hope  they will check their box.

I don’ t want to break any rules or ethics that are  the  policy of this site.

Thanks anyone that can shed some light on this and erase my  confusion.

Be blessed all of you

Ameen
Retired French language  teacher (Algeria)