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“Hello,
Sorry for the late follow ups. (I am guessing you were stoned.) I am looking to formulate products with CBD oil. Not the hemp CBD. (Because hemp CBD and some other CBD from somewhere else is.. somehow different?) Cannibis (as opposed to .. hemp.. which is .. cannabis?) has antioxidants, which are great for skincare products. (Then why not just use tocopherols in vitamin E?) The oil also treats inflammation with Acne, excema, psoriasis. (You forgot to cite your references to the scholarly articles on the double blind placebo controlled studies to support these medical claims.) I am looking to start a full line of skincare from facial cleansers, exfoliators, mask, Oils, serums etc. “

@Dcan, you truly have no idea what you are getting into. Unless you are a scammer, like all of the other CBD peddlers:

https://www.fda.gov/newsevents/publichealthfocus/ucm435591.htm

https://www.fda.gov/newsevents/publichealthfocus/ucm484109.htm

I’ll expect you will get similar letters and lawsuits for your product, which will ultimately fail.

I love to hear my hippy dippy friends say the government and FDA inspectors are “taking over medical cannabis, taking over CBD”… and then I have them look at how many people in these reports and analysis by the FDA are selling this BS that contains NO CBD AT ALL! What a giant joke. Fools. Anyone want to buy a bridge in Brooklyn?

Well, if it is a medicine, those publicly funded science institutions that protect the public sector from frauds and snake oil peddlers should be regulating it.

Look at the amount of fraud that are in these FDA reports about these CBD scammers! So many people selling CBD… that contains no CBD… come on… if your kid were having seizures… you want to buy products from these unregulated snake oil salesmen? Not only do these people need to be shut down, they need to be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail, like snake oil peddlers of lore. Rick Simpson, oil, etc. What a load of BS.

If CBD is a medicine - and it was found in clinical trials to have therapeutic effect by GW Pharmaceuticals long before it was claimed to be a “supplement” by the snake oil peddlers - then treat it as a medicine. That is the law. You don’t get to sell a medicine as a cosmetic company. There is no grandfathering in for the “supplement sellers” on this one, kids. The law is set. If CBD is a medicine, you better be a pharmaceutical company producing these products.

Or, you better have been selling CBD as a supplement long before 2005 when GW Pharm did their trials. And no one has yet stepped up to that plate with any sory of integrity. It’s a done deal. CBD is a medicine (though still schedule 1, but go figure).

Scamming hippy dippy pseudo-science snake oil salesmen should not be selling this. Only federally licensed laboratories should sell pharmaceuticals, and let’s rid the world of these scammers.

Those reports are damning. I have never seen such scamming that is not being forcefully shut down by the FDA. But, as noted before, the FDA has few teeth. Hopefully the FTC will step in.

But the FDA can shut down the CBD scam, as CBD is a medicine, long before it was a “supplement” of the scammers and shysters.

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Thank you kindly, Perry. This is the kind of information we seek on a forum such as this that you you host. Muchas gracias.

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@Bill_Toge

ain’t that the truth. 

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@susan25 - good idea. I was thinking of putting a small link like “about vegan and no synthetic colorant claims” and in it, put up a real and escrowed $100,000 dollar challenge to any of my competitors that can prove by laboratory analysis that their products are bright red or hot pink etc yet do not contain any carmine or FD&Cs etc.

I try to keep a good sense of humor about it. James Randi’s “One Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge” comes to mind. It would be good fun.

I’m also thinking of just going full blown Class Action Litigious Man: not my favorite super hero, but sometimes necessary, and just drop it in a class action lawyer’s hands, and watch the spiders shrivel under the magnifying glass that they will be under. There will be no way out: Most of these companies do not make their own products, so, it’s a simple subpoena and when you have their private labelers.. these liars are toast, because any real private label lab is going to give their customer (these shysters) a real list of ingredients to protect themselves (the lab) from potential lawsuits.

It’s the shyster marketer that ignores that real list of ingredients, and then writes their own list of ingredients according to Wootopia, Natural News, David Avocado Wolfe etc lore.

@Zink If I put the names of the companies here… and there are other places I could do that (DCI, SCC, etc) man, oh man, what a shite storm that would ensue. You give me some good thoughts. I conversed via email with one of the most respected color cosmetic chemists in America about this, and he concurred that there are no Fire Engine Red iron oxides, and no Hot Pink iron oxides, etc. We had a laugh, but also both noted the seriousness of the misbranding and mislabeling and egregiously unfair competition this practice fosters.

@MarkBroussard - I would have no problem with involving the FDA, and using my real name. Unfortunately, the FDA has zero power to force a recall, and it would have little effect. The company would simply go on as normal. Please correct me if I am wrong, but my impression is the FDA cannot issue recalls.

But, the FTC might be another option. They have teeth.

Yeah, folks, I am just frustrated. Thank you all for your thoughts, and good guidance to keep my own line’s integrity, and to just keep truckin’ on.

But, I fear, at some point, one of these shysters is going to knock me off of the shelve of a local shop (the owners here don’t know who I am, I am very low key, ie.: no one who works there knows I am the owner of the cosmetic line) and I am going to see it with my own orbs and might just be pissed off enough at the lying injustice to consumers and competitors that I might give that Class Action Law Firm I know (that has experience in this type of weasel tactics) a call and expose their lying marketing secrets and have these class action sharks sue their shyster bottoms off.

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@Susan25

lol. we should chat someday, if you wish to enter the natural products arena.

@Perry

agreed, but the giant market is so very very hard to gain access to; the natural market is still open to smaller manufacturing and marketing entrepreneurs.

It’s just that the naturals market is dominated by total bull manure. Woo and outright fraud.

@mikethair “I wouldn’t worry about EWG and obnoxious bloggers”

EWG and Avocado and NN Mike Adams and Food Gal and … the list could go on and on. These pseudo-science folks make up and disseminate the vast majority of information for the shoppers in natural food stores. Just sayin’.

@Susan25 It’s HUGE.

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@Belassi - Mostly America, but these weasels are moving into Australia too, which is a good market for us. I get questions from my distributors / sales reps: Why can’t our line be vegan and no synthetic dyes and no carmine… these other companies are kicking out butts off the shelves. I can only answer that it is impossible to make a red lipstick with no carmines or synthetic dyes. It is beyond frustrating.

@chickenskin - these are not minute amounts. There are lipsticks colored with FD&C dyes and then premeditatively labeled and marketed to NOT contain FD&C dyes.

It’s not a witch hunt; I am wondering if I am missing something, but as I have worked with color cosmetics for 20 years I don’t think there are new Manganese Violet based micas, or “ayurvedic vegetable dyes” that can be used in lipsticks, lip gloss and the like.

Thank you both for your input.