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@Pharma thanks

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Thanks @Pharma 
It is %0.2 EDTA or %2 Sodium citrate.
I got the picture. As Just when the binding is very fast is the chelation time in seconds, minutes or what approximately? And also when when it takes a while, how much? 

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@PhilGeis thanks

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High amount of humectants will make your skin drier if you don’t have occlusive. 

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@PhilGeis thanks
Formalin is available locally and very inexpensive. I thought if i make a preservative system around that it would be great.

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@PhilGeis thank you too!
How about %0.3 Glyceryl Caprylate with %0.05 kathon in this formula? 

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SLI may not be water soluble like SCI.

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High amount of surfactants also don’t need preservative.
What percentage of surfactants do you use in your Shampoo bar?

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@ngarayeva001 thanks a lot

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@chemicalmatt of course i want to maintain the pearlescence while sitting still on a store shelf.

I am using %9 SLES and%2 CAPB actives. Is that enough? 

Is adding HPMC, PQ10 or cationic guar enough as suspending agent or not?

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I don’t know how how are calculating the HLB for 4 emulsifiers in a system.

Use Steareth-21 and Steareth-2 as emulsifiers, calculate the HLB, total %2-4 emulsifier. 
Use Cetyl Alcohol and Stearyl Alcohol as oil phase stabilizer and %0.3 xanthan gum as oil phase stabilizer. 

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@PhilGeis do you mean use kathon at %0.05 or %0.5?

What percentage of sodium benzoate should be used with %0.05 kathon in this Shampoo formula?
SLES
CAPB
Glycol distearate %1
PQ10

NACL
Tetrasodium EDTA %0.2
pH 5

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@klangridge hi 
Thanks for sharing your opinions.

My Shampoo is opaque. What is the difference between macroemulsion and microemulsions specially for Amodimethicone emulsion?

Currently i am using NACL to thicken the system. Is that enough for suspension of Amodimethicone in shampoo?

If not, would HPMC, cationic guar or PQ10 stabilize the suspension?

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@ngarayeva001 would it increase the viscosity or decrease it? 

I want to use it for it’s conditioning effect. 

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Don’t use them and see what happens

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What is the shampoo formula?

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@RedCoast was it %2 glycerin in cleaning product or in the Product that is used after cleaning? Like lotion or cream

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@chemicalmatt @singhc10 yes (b) has more active but it is a bit more expensive too. So If used for the same active level the price would be almost the same. 
Final pH would be adjusted to 5.

The ingredients in (a) are 
Amodimethicone   %28-36
Trideceth-12   %1-3
Cetrimonium Chloride   %1-3
Water   %50-65

I have seen the same product in Phique Shampoo Shampoo that i think is from @Perry.
Water, Sodium Cocoyl Isethionate, Sodium Lauryl Sulfate, Sodium Laureth Sulfate, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Sodium Chloride, Lauryl Glucoside, Stearyl Citrate, Disodium Laureth Sulfosuccinate, Polyquaternium-10, Guar Hydroxypropyltrimonium Chloride, Amodimethicone, Cetrimonium Chloride, Fragrance, Trideceth-12, Tetrasodium EDTA, Phenoxyethanol, Caprylyl Glycol, Ethylhexylglycerin, Hexylene Glycol, Sodium Hydroxide.

My main main question is about the viscosity of Amodimethicone itself. One is 30000 and other is 100000 cps.
Wich viscosity would be better for conditioning or there is no difference in performance? 

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@chemicalmatt thanks 
I thought amphoterics will reduce the Zein value more than APG.

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@chemicalmatt do EGMS and EGGS also need suspending agent? 

Do HPMC and cationic guar also work as suspending agent? 

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@ngarayeva001 it is PQ10 jr400. It impacts viscosity very less

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@em88 i want to make very good shampoo if not the best one. I have tried many surfactants. The best was ISELUX which was %10-20 better than SLES but 10 times more expensive than SLES. That much quality is not worth that much price.

What other primary surfactant do you suggest to replace SLES? 

Drying the scalp is a problem that i want to avoid. Thanks for mentioning that.

If i use ammonium chloride or sodium citrate to thicken the Product instead of sodium chloride, would that also make the skin/scalp dry? 

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@MapX how about sodium citrate? 

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@PhilGeis @em88 it has citric acid and very small amount of that is enough to adjust the pH to what ever value they want. Sodium citrate is the second ingredient listed after the main surfactant which would be around %10 and more than CAPB, NACL and everything else. It doesn’t look that high amount of sodium citrate is there just to adjust the pH.

What other things can sodium citrate do? 

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It was 6 part anionic,1part amphoteric,1part non-ionic surfactant