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  • Vegetable Oil Absorbant for Toothpaste

    Posted by Anonymous on May 22, 2017 at 10:13 pm

    We are formulating a toothpaste that includes xylitol, essential oils and baking soda.  The xylitol doesn’t absorb the oil so it separates to the top after sitting for a few hours. We added extra baking soda to the formula to absorb the oil, but it’s making the toothpaste taste too salty.  Is there another ingredient that would absorb the oil in the toothpaste that anyone can recommend?  We tried using some clay, but it made the toothpaste such an ugly color of grey and caused it to stick somewhat to our teeth.  We don’t want the toothpaste consistency to be adversely affected by whatever can absorb the extra oil to keep the toothpaste saturated consistently.  Thank you for any advice! 

    johnb replied 6 years, 11 months ago 3 Members · 10 Replies
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  • Bobzchemist

    Member
    May 22, 2017 at 11:28 pm

    Silica is commonly used for this purpose, and makes up about 60-70% of the average modern toothpaste formula used in the industrialized world. 3rd world countries use chalk instead, primarily due to cost concerns.

  • Anonymous

    Guest
    May 23, 2017 at 12:00 am

    Silica is hard on the enamel so we were hoping to avoid that. Thank you for replying though. Do you have any other suggestions? 

  • belassi

    Member
    May 23, 2017 at 5:17 am
  • johnb

    Member
    May 23, 2017 at 6:28 am

    Is there no surfactant in your product?

    I find it difficult to imagine an acceptable toothpaste with only the ingredients you have declared.

    BTW the “silica” mentioned by Bobzchemist is amorphous silica produced by precipitation or flame hydrolysis. It is not powdered crystalline silica (sand or mineral)

  • Anonymous

    Guest
    May 23, 2017 at 3:45 pm

    Thank you Johnb and Belassi.  I didn’t list all the ingredients for the toothpaste, just the relevant ones to this discussion. I’ll look up amorphous silica. I didn’t know about this. Thank you very much! 

  • Bobzchemist

    Member
    May 24, 2017 at 2:52 am

    In the US, 99.8% of all commercially sold toothpaste uses silica in one form or another. The technology to regulate the particle morphology and abrasivity of the silica is very advanced. 

  • johnb

    Member
    May 24, 2017 at 7:33 am

    We still have very little information on the components of this mix.

    It is thus impossible to give a meaningful reply.

  • Bobzchemist

    Member
    May 24, 2017 at 2:07 pm

    Saying “silica is hard on the enamel so we won’t use it in our toothpaste” is just like saying “surfactants are hard on skin so we won’t use them in our cleansers”.

    There is a reason why silica is so ubiquitous in toothpaste formulas, and it is because it’s possible to engineer amorphous/hydrated silica particles precisely enough that they will be just abrasive enough to remove plaque films efficiently, but not so abrasive as to harm the enamel. Toothpaste has to work in a very short time frame, not just be stable, taste good, and have good mouthfeel. If you ignore the fact that it’s the toothpaste that’s doing the majority of the job in removing plaque films, you’re not going to have many repeat customers.

    Going into selling a product and ignoring the way the major players in that market niche formulate their products is very likely to invite failure. Thinking that you just know better than the thousands of formulators/scientists who’ve worked on a product category like toothpaste should be a major red flag that you likely have a fatal flaw in your business plan.

  • Anonymous

    Guest
    May 28, 2017 at 4:28 am

    Since Baking Soda is also an abrasive, do you feel silica is still necessary in a formulation with Baking Soda? 

  • johnb

    Member
    May 28, 2017 at 7:22 am

    Amorphous silica (as used in toothpaste) also acts as an efficient suspending agent for other solids in the mixture.

    With all due respect, I feel that you need to learn a lot more about the products you are contemplating and their ingredients before you go much further in formulating a product.

    Remember that the toothpaste marketplace is dominated by some extremely large multinational companies who employ numerous experienced formulators. Unless you have some revolutionary concept, the chances of entering this market are very slim.

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