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  • The fragrance doesn't smell much

    Posted by Sarlota on November 19, 2023 at 4:54 am

    Hi, I have a question.

    I use different fragrances in face wash gels. Scented oils, essential oils or perfumed compositions atc.

    Some are cool and can be smelled beautifully in products (for example, even in scrubs, bath products…). However, I add some to the product and I can’t smell them at all. Neither before washing nor after washing.

    The recommended usage is, for example, 0.1-0.2% for the fragrance “Gentle cream”, but even after adding 0.2%, there is absolutely no smell in the product, and I rather smell this normal gentle chemical smell from the ingredients. At the same time, when I smell the scent itself, it is a wonderful rich scent.

    Any advice on what to do with it? I know, that we should stick to the recommended usage, however, there is no maximum usage written on these fragrances (MSDS too), so I’m not sure if this usage could be increased (mainly in rinsing products).

    + I make my cosmetics in Czech, so I have to follow EU regulations. If anyone has a tried-and-tested store in the EU that has amazing fragrances and imports to the CZ, I would be happy 🙂

    Thanks for the reply. Alternatively, I apologize for the mistakes in the text, Google helped 🙂

    oldman20 replied 6 months ago 6 Members · 10 Replies
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  • Perry44

    Administrator
    November 19, 2023 at 7:44 am

    When we have this problem in industry we just use a different fragrance. Well, what we actually do is to tell the fragrance supplier that the odor is not “blooming” well enough and that they need to make adjustments so it is compatible with our formulation. They do this and the problem is fixed.

    But if you don’t have that kind of power over a fragrance house, the only solution is to use fragrances that don’t have this problem.

    It’s just a reality that some fragrances don’t work in some systems.

    • Sarlota

      Member
      December 1, 2023 at 6:41 am

      Thank you. As a novice formulator, I don’t have that authority and no one will edit the fragrances for me. However, yes, I also see no other way than trying new and new fragrances. That’s how I’ve actually been doing it until now, it’s just sometimes a waste of money 🙂

      • This reply was modified 6 months, 3 weeks ago by  Sarlota.
      • oldman20

        Member
        December 19, 2023 at 4:45 am

        yes, i have same the way you are

  • Paprik

    Member
    November 19, 2023 at 1:54 pm

    Ahoooj!

    Good to see another Czech in here 🙂 I have nothing else to add to Perry’s comment, just wanted to say hi 🙂 I am from Czech too, but living in NZ. Got a little excited to see you here 😀

    • Sarlota

      Member
      December 1, 2023 at 6:42 am

      Čauky čauky 🙂

  • mikethair

    Member
    November 20, 2023 at 12:33 am

    Hi,

    I have been formulating with essential oils for many years, and since 2006 have formulated for many global brands.

    Formulating fragrance is an art, and requires many years of practice and in-depth knowledge of essential oils. The easy route is to use synthetic fragrances. But these have been lost favour recently.

    And with essential oils, we use certain oils to “anchor” other oils. For example, benzoin is used as a fixative, slowing the dispersion of essential oils and other fragrance materials into the air. And I prefer to use certain base oils. Of course, all of these must be in a synergetic blend.

    For best results, and to elevate your products, it’s best to outsource to a competent formulator. And that’s what many of the brands I work with globally have done.

    • This reply was modified 7 months ago by  mikethair.
    • Sarlota

      Member
      December 1, 2023 at 6:39 am

      Thank you for your informations. 🙂

  • justyna_lenka

    Member
    November 30, 2023 at 5:10 am

    Hello from Poland! 😉

    In fact, washing products (like the facial cleansing gel you are writing about) sometimes need to use water-soluble fragrances to better combine with the formula, and our experience shows that they smell less - but we know that this is also a matter of the specific composition. A dose of 0.1-0.2% is quite little, but we often use even 0.5% to cover the smell of other raw materials (mainly detergents).

    If you want to take advantage of the offer of a domestic fragrance manufacturer - I recommend contacting Aroma Praha https://www.aroma.cz/cs 🙂

    Regards!

    • mikethair

      Member
      November 30, 2023 at 6:15 pm

      In our Patchouli Lavender Face Wash, we use a formulation of 1.5% EOs (Patchouli, Lavender, Bergamot).

      I should also add that this Face Wash base is made by saponifying extra virgin olive oil, so this is a lot different from your usual synthetic face wash base. And being made from extra virgin olive oil, it is very mild on the skin. Also, this base performs a lot differently concerning fragrances.

    • Sarlota

      Member
      December 1, 2023 at 6:43 am

      Thank you.
      I think they only make fragrances for larger orders, not for small bussiness like mine.

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