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  • Shampoo too thin with PEG 40 Hydrogenated Castor Oil

    Posted by markj187 on May 20, 2018 at 5:03 am

    Good day everyone! I made a shampoo with Rosemary extract and used PEG 40 HCO to solubilize it. However, it became hazy and too thin. I used CMEA, CAPB and salt to thicken but it won’t get any thicker. Any suggestions on how I can improve the viscosity? It comes out watery. Below is the formula

    CAPB - 15%
    Sodium Coco Sulfate - 8%
    PEG 40 HCO - 5%
    SLES Gel - 3%
    Sodium Chloride - 3%
    Polyquat 7 - 2%
    CMEA - 1%
    D-panthenol - 1%
    Fragrance - 1%
    Tetrasodium EDTA 10% - 1%
    EHGP - 1%
    Rosemary extract - 0.5%
    Water - q.s.
    Citric acid - to pH 5

    ngarayeva001 replied 5 years, 5 months ago 7 Members · 7 Replies
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  • belassi

    Member
    May 20, 2018 at 4:17 pm

    Not enough active surfactant. Too much PEG40.

  • DAS

    Member
    May 20, 2018 at 8:07 pm

    And far too much salt. 

  • DRBOB@VERDIENT.BIZ

    Member
    May 20, 2018 at 8:38 pm

    yes and if coco sulfate is 8% active raise to 10-12%-and lower PEG 40 to 1%-also do a salt curve as you are in overkill : :)

  • markj187

    Member
    May 20, 2018 at 11:42 pm

    Thanks everyone for your inputs. Total ASM for the formula is 14.19 to 14.2. I read that shampoos should have max 15. Can I still push it further and go above 15 safely?

    ASM
    Sodium Coco Sulfate 95% - 7.6
    SLES 70% - 2.09
    CAPB 30% - 4.5

    For PEG 40, is 1% enough to make a clear solution with 0.5 rosemary extract?

    For the salt, I added at 0.2g increments and eventually maxed out to 3% and it never got any thicker.

    “Too much PEG40.” - what’s the common percentage usage for PEG40?

  • em88

    Member
    May 21, 2018 at 7:02 am

    For the salt, I added at 0.2g increments and eventually maxed out to 3% and it never got any thicker.” In that case 3% is not necessary. you should do the salt curve from 0.25 to 3% and check the viscosity peak. 
    You may use a gelifying agent as well 

  • Esdrubalina

    Member
    November 22, 2018 at 4:45 pm

    Hello,

    i have the same problem.

    Can you do it?

  • ngarayeva001

    Member
    November 22, 2018 at 8:48 pm

    Guys, CAPB is amphoteric and becomes cationic at ph below 7. SLES is anionic. Could this be a reason?

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