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  • Polyquaternium-7 and PEG-7 glyceryl cocoate making handwash sticky?

    Posted by Gunther on May 10, 2018 at 4:08 pm

    We’ve been knocking-down ingredients to find out the culprit of stickiness in handwash.

    60 % water
    0.1% EDTA -Na4
    13% Texapon N70 ( = 9.1% active SLES)
    1% Cocamide DEA
    0.5% PEG-7 Glyceryl cocoate (Cetiol HE), added to try its refattening properties
    0.25% Polyquaternium-7, added to try its skin conditioning properties
    10% Cocamidopropyl betaine solution ( = 3% active CAPB)
    0.5% Salt fully dissolved in water (and even this gets it too viscous)
    0.5% Erythritol + water qs to 100%
    qs to ph 5.5
    Preservative to be added at latter stages, once test runs yield satisfactory sensorials.
    (local laws allow the use of CC-DEA and EDTA, might replace them at a latter stage)

    So far, everything seems to be causing stickiness in this formula
    Took out Erythritol, and it helped a bit with stickiness. Although the whole purpose of this formula was to test Erythritol, which seems to give interesting hair and skin smoothness.

    Both PQ7 and PEG-7GC seem to worsen tackiness, especially if both are combined.
    Literature doesn’t mention them as being especially tacky, do they?

    Gunther replied 5 years, 11 months ago 3 Members · 5 Replies
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  • RKB

    Member
    May 10, 2018 at 10:28 pm

    The ASM looks to be very low.

  • RKB

    Member
    May 10, 2018 at 10:38 pm

    Never mind. Were you saying the values in ( ) were after calculating the ASM?

  • belassi

    Member
    May 10, 2018 at 11:39 pm

    formula is 14.5% missing items

  • Gunther

    Member
    May 11, 2018 at 3:09 am

    @RenKB yes the quantities in ( ) are net ASM

    @Belassi the remaining water is topped off in ‘water qs to 100%’

  • Gunther

    Member
    June 6, 2018 at 11:54 pm

    Knock out experiments
    pointed out that Cocamide DEA is sticky, even on its own
    PEG-7 Glyceryl cocoate is a bit sticky too.

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