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  • O/W Silicone Emulsion troubleshooting

    Posted by manstra on June 11, 2016 at 6:25 pm

    Hello everyone in the community and first of all I want to apologise for being absent for so long. I have a problem in emulsifing the following hair anti-freeze, light and shine formula,

    Water q.s.
    Polyquaternium 7 0,5%
    Polyquaternium 10 0,1%

    Cyclopentosiloxane 2%    
    Dimethicone 0,2%
    PEG - 12 Dimethicone 2%

    Caprylic Capric Glycerides 0,5%
    DEX Panthenol 75% 2,25%
    Fragrance 0,5%
    PEG - 40 Hydrogenated Castor Oil 2,5%
    Vitamin E acetate 0,1%

    I add the silicone mix in the second phase

    I have the following instability in a silverson mixer AX-1 at 2,500rpm

    There is a white phase on the top ( I assume the destabilized silicone mix that I add in the cooling phase) and a cloudy water phase on the bottom. 

    Are the emulsifiers that I use the suitable ones or do i need a different emulsification process / different emulsification materials.

    Thank you in advance 

    Chemist77 replied 7 years, 7 months ago 5 Members · 10 Replies
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  • belassi

    Member
    June 11, 2016 at 6:33 pm

    Are the emulsifiers that I use the suitable ones or do i need a different emulsification process / different emulsification materials.

    I can’t see that being an adequate system as you have discovered. HLB value is very high at 15. Try adding a low HLB emulsifer, I suggest adding 2% glycerine monostearate and 1% cetearyl alcohol. Hot process of course.

  • manstra

    Member
    June 12, 2016 at 12:08 am

    I think cetearyl alcohol would thicken the emulsion

  • belassi

    Member
    June 12, 2016 at 12:56 am

    well, in that case, omit the PEG-12 Dimethicone and use a water-dispersible silicone instead at a smaller percentage, say 0.5%
    I have a problem understanding the terms “antifreeze, light and shine”

  • manstra

    Member
    June 12, 2016 at 1:02 am

    Anti freeze means flexible and easy to comb hair, light is a texture aspect of the hair (how it feels when toughing it) and shine means to reflect the light, making the hair appear more vibrant.

  • Microformulation

    Member
    June 12, 2016 at 1:02 am

    Your PEG-12 Dimethicone is soluble in water and alcohols, unlike the remainder of your silicone phase. It should be added below 40C. Without manufacturing instructions I would have to guess that this is not a hot mix.

    All in all, you may just have a process error.

  • manstra

    Member
    June 12, 2016 at 1:08 am

    This is a cold mix process you’re right

  • Chemist77

    Member
    July 18, 2016 at 5:01 pm

    Phenyl Trimethicone comes to mind when shine is talked about, check if it can work in this emulsion for you.

  • manstra

    Member
    October 2, 2016 at 2:45 pm

    Thank you all for the feedback. I found a very good emulsifier for silicone based systems (1-10%). Salcare cs96 1,2% emulsifier managed to pass all the stability tests in my system. It’s an cationic emulsifier/disperser that solves stability issues in cationic silicone systems.

    @Chemist77 can you please give me a product name for this silicone?

    Thank you all for the support and the comments.

  • Ayman

    Member
    October 3, 2016 at 7:01 am

    I know that salcare cs96 from Dow  as thickner not emusfier ,but you say it pass at all the stability tests in your system that is good

  • Chemist77

    Member
    October 12, 2016 at 5:36 am

    It used to be called DC 556 Cosmetic Grade Fluid @manstra,  but I cannot say with 100% conviction if it can work in an emulsion though in anhydrous silicone hair products it was wonderful. 

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