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  • Mildness comparison of two Shampoo formula

    Posted by Abdullah on September 1, 2020 at 1:44 pm

    Formula a) 
    CAPB %6 active surfactant 
    Decyl glucoside %3 active 
    SLES % 3 active 

    Formula b) 
    SLES %7 active 
    CAPB %1.5 active 
    Decyl glucoside %1.5 active 
    Cocamide DEA %5 

    The rest is the same 

    In these two, formula B has better foam, cleaning and is very milder specially to eye compared to formula A. What would be the cause? 

    Is CAPB more irritating to eye than these other surfactants? 

    As CAPB has it’s own preservative ( our supplier don’t know what preservative it is), can that preservative be the cause? 

    Or something else

    ketchito replied 3 years, 7 months ago 3 Members · 5 Replies
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  • ketchito

    Member
    September 1, 2020 at 2:33 pm

    This is a guess, but Cocamidopropyl betaine has few contaminants, like DMAPA and aminoamine. Both are suspected sensitizers (especially amidoamine). Decyl glucoside as well is not as mild as coco-glucoside.

    What you did in formula b is better in terms of mixing few surfactants in low doses rather than using only one or two.    

  • OldPerry

    Member
    September 1, 2020 at 3:13 pm

    According to the CIR report (see table 6), Decyl glucoside was not-irritating at 1% (pH 7) but was slightly irritating at 3%. So, it could be that.

  • Abdullah

    Member
    September 2, 2020 at 5:37 am

    @Perry i couldn’t open this cir table. 
    Decyl glucoside may be the cause, I don’t like it either but in new formula we are just using a small amount because of glyceryl oleate. 

  • Abdullah

    Member
    September 2, 2020 at 5:42 am

    @ketchito that was informative. I thought CAPB and APG would be milder than SLES but it looks they aren’t.

    Which APG is mildest in your opinion? 

  • ketchito

    Member
    September 2, 2020 at 2:49 pm

    @Abdullah Don’t get me wrong, LESS is also able to irritate the skin (I used solutions of LESS in the lab to denature some proteins in the past). What you need to do is reduce its charge density, and you do that by mixing it for instance with CAPB. As I mentioned before, the best way to get a mild system is to mix some surfactants that interact with each other (like LESS and CAPB), and at lower doses of each than if you were to use only one or two of them. 

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