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  • Formulations containing Silicone

    Posted by mehrzadkia on July 8, 2019 at 7:03 am

    Hello there,
    Would you please help me with this?

    How lotion, moisturizer and shampoo formulators incorporate a given silicone that does not dissolve in either water or oil?
    Thank you.
    mehrzadkia replied 4 years, 10 months ago 3 Members · 6 Replies
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  • ngarayeva001

    Member
    July 8, 2019 at 10:15 am

    For emulsions dimethicone is added to reduce soaping. You don’t need much and 1.5-2% shouldn’t cause issues if you add it to the oil phase (even when you use polar oils).

    You can add silicone emulsifier such as ViscOptima SE by croda or Abil EM 90
     to stabilise higher amount of silicone.

    For shampoos, watersoluble forms are usually used (Amodimenticone for example).

  • mehrzadkia

    Member
    July 8, 2019 at 1:31 pm

    For emulsions dimethicone is added to reduce soaping. You don’t need much and 1.5-2% shouldn’t cause issues if you add it to the oil phase (even when you use polar oils).

    You can add silicone emulsifier such as ViscOptima SE by croda or Abil EM 90
     to stabilise higher amount of silicone.

    For shampoos, watersoluble forms are usually used (Amodimenticone for example).

    Thank you so much for your detailed answer.

  • Gunther

    Member
    July 8, 2019 at 6:29 pm

    You can either 
    A. buy a premade, water-soluble silicone emulsion.
    Those from DOW are great, but they usually only sell by 18 or 200 Kg drums.
    You can buy small amodimethicone amounts from shops like
    https://www.makingcosmetics.com/Amodimethicone_p_975.html
    But I don’t know how this one works in skin products. It works great for hair products tough. (I’m not affiliated with makingcosmetics in any way).

    B. emulsify silicone yourself
    For shampoos you can neutralize LABSA with TEA and use it to emulsify silicones, but that’s only suitable for shampoos, not for skincare.
    Emulsiying silicones with nonionic emulsifiers is tricky.

    C. buy a water soluble modified silicone
    Water soluble ones don’t work well for shampoos, but are probably OK for skincare.

  • ngarayeva001

    Member
    July 8, 2019 at 9:26 pm

    PEG-8 dimethicone works well in skincare but although it’s water soluble it’s a bad idea for shampoos: reduces viscosity and foam.

  • mehrzadkia

    Member
    July 9, 2019 at 5:13 am

    Gunther said:

    You can either 
    A. buy a premade, water-soluble silicone emulsion.
    Those from DOW are great, but they usually only sell by 18 or 200 Kg drums.
    You can buy small amodimethicone amounts from shops like
    https://www.makingcosmetics.com/Amodimethicone_p_975.html
    But I don’t know how this one works in skin products. It works great for hair products tough. (I’m not affiliated with makingcosmetics in any way).

    B. emulsify silicone yourself
    For shampoos you can neutralize LABSA with TEA and use it to emulsify silicones, but that’s only suitable for shampoos, not for skincare.
    Emulsiying silicones with nonionic emulsifiers is tricky.

    C. buy a water soluble modified silicone
    Water soluble ones don’t work well for shampoos, but are probably OK for skincare.

    Tricky stuff :)
    Thank you so much for your answer. I need a lot more research.

  • mehrzadkia

    Member
    July 9, 2019 at 5:14 am

    PEG-8 dimethicone works well in skincare but although it’s water soluble it’s a bad idea for shampoos: reduces viscosity and foam.

    I love this corner. You guys are awesome.

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