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  • Formulating with Sodium Cocoate

    Posted by RickG on October 27, 2023 at 12:49 am

    Hi All,

    I’m in the process of formulating a liquid hand soap whose main ingredient is Sodium Cocoate 70%.

    The addition of Cocamidopropyl Betain creates a gel structure that seems quite stable.

    I don’t know if this combination is already used by others.

    I’m interested in your feedback on the use of sodium cocoate.

    Thanks

    ketchito replied 8 months, 3 weeks ago 4 Members · 7 Replies
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  • mikethair

    Member
    October 27, 2023 at 5:19 pm

    Why not get radical and saponify coconut oil…… it produces a really cleansing and foaming product.

    • RickG

      Member
      October 27, 2023 at 9:49 pm

      Because it’s cheaper and easier for my to buy coconut oil already in the cocoate form ????

  • mikethair

    Member
    October 28, 2023 at 3:12 am

    Yes agree, but in my opinion, it all depends on where you position your brand in the marketplace. For me, it was all about quality that our customers could trust. And cost wasn’t an issue.

    Saponifyning our own coconut allowed me to select the best quality coconut oil and KOH. The Potassium Cocoate we produced was of the highest quality.

  • suswang8

    Member
    October 28, 2023 at 10:34 am

    I am interested in learning more about this ingredient myself, only because I hear it referred to as both a surfactant and (hydrophilic) refatting agent. For shampoo, it seems people only incorporate it for the latter reason. I also would like to know why glyceryl oleate is used so much more for this purpose rather than sucrose cocoate.

    Regarding your post specifically, I would imagine a cleanser with such a high percentage of this ingredient would be very “moisturizing,” but perhaps its refatting benefits are overstated.

    • mikethair

      Member
      October 28, 2023 at 5:02 pm

      In saponifying our own coconut it allowed me to have full control over the quality and characteristics of the Potassium Cocoate produced. In the shampoo we produced I regarded the Potassium Cocoate as a surfactant with amazing cleansing abilities.

      And, the saponification process gives us the ability of “superfatting,” which means we formulate the coconut and KOH to leave a percentage of the oil unsaponified. This would provide the “moisturising” you refer to. Of course, the superfatting percentage must be tightly calculated and controlled during production.

      But for many, high levels of superfatting are not desirable in a shampoo. But where it really counts for example is in our face wash. Here we saponified extra virgin olive oil to produce a luxurious, moisturising face wash. Our face wash was VERY popular.

      OK, easy to write here, but in fact it took me more than one year of experimentation to get our face wash, shampoo, and body wash perfected. But once done, we went into production and produced these products for around 20 years, and exported globally. These included our own branded products, and 90% of our production was Private Label for various brands around the world.

      Now that our production facility has closed, I’m looking for partners with the ability to produce these products under my guidance. And yes, these skills are transferable…….we have done this with a few businesses in Africa who are now doing very well.

      • RickG

        Member
        October 29, 2023 at 12:57 am

        Hi Mike,

        You’re right about controlling the process by making your own saponification.

        But for the moment, it’s a question of starting with a new product using the quickest method.

        I wouldn’t rule out doing the saponification directly in the near future, for greater control.

        • ketchito

          Member
          October 30, 2023 at 10:37 pm

          Glyceryl oleate is an ester with a long carbon chain which accounts for its use as a refattening agent.

          Sodium cocoate on the other hand, is a detergent, a carboxylate with a proper carbon chain lenght. So, two different molecules with a different purpose.

          Sodium cocoate and CAPB can actually make a good combo. What are the issues you’re having?

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