Esterquad as remplacement for ctac

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Esterquad as remplacement for ctac

Posted by luiscuevasii on October 14, 2017 at 3:15 am

Greetings

Im running out of ctac, there arent another substitute as btac or alike available for ha ir conditioner, I have been making some test ussing pq7, pq40 and coco propil betaine at low ph, but the results are not Good enough.

Today I come across to a New brooker in my country that offered a ester quad called”Dihydrogenated Tallowamidoethyl Hydroxyethylmonium Methosulfate”, Wich I saw that its mainly used in fabric softeners, but researching a little it is used in a lot of 2 in 1 shampoo as pert plus, and i found a little of information about ester quads in used conditioners but no one was the one I Just found.

I would like to Know if some one has used esterquads as remplacement or maybe as a synergetic ingredient in conditioner, and could gave me any hint, the brooker only sells sealed 400Lb drums and that doesnt give me choice to try small batches.

Another question is:
Dihydrogenated Tallowamidoethyl Hydroxyethylmonium Methosulfate

luiscuevasii replied 6 years, 7 months ago 3 Members · 8 Replies
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Chemist77

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October 14, 2017 at 3:18 am

This type I use for my fabric conditioner formulations, though a check with your supplier would be a good idea. Generally the difference in such grades is the level of impurities, commonly they all are substantive.
luiscuevasii

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October 14, 2017 at 12:45 pm

@Chemist77 Thanks for your answer, in your fabric formulations do you use it as a primary cationic?, does it have strong surfactance to act as a sole surfactant for fatty alcohols ?
luiscuevasii

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October 14, 2017 at 1:15 pm

Suppliers as Evonik, Lg Household and Kao provides little information about ussing Esterquats as replacement, but mainly focusing in enviromental care.

https://personal-care.evonik.com/product/personal-care/Documents/happi-varisoft-eq-65.pdf

http://www.kaochemicals-eu.com/sites/default/files/related_files/business_unit/eco_friendly_conditioners_leaflet.pdf

And this formulation given by Stepan, by the way 20% of lauramine oxide looks like too much.

http://www.cossma.com/fileadmin/all/cossma/Archiv/Formulations2015/Cos1604_ForStepan.pdf
Chemist77

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October 14, 2017 at 1:22 pm

No mine is based on the esterquat and HEUR thickener/stabilizer, so it’s pretty simple. The product sells good and no issues with stability.
As for fatty alcohols I am sure if formulated properly along with some Glyceryl Stearate you can get a good stable product. You can use Lauramine Oxide 1% and see how it works out.
DRBOB@VERDIENT.BIZ

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October 16, 2017 at 3:45 pm

Arquad® PC SV-60 PG (AKZO NOBEL) should be a good replacement.
luiscuevasii

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October 17, 2017 at 12:51 am

@DRBOB@VERDIENT.BIZ
thanks you very much’ but basically the only quat available arround here is Dihydrogenated Tallowamidoethyl Hydroxyethylmonium Methosulfate…
DRBOB@VERDIENT.BIZ

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October 17, 2017 at 3:04 pm

I don’t see any problem replacing the CTAC with the ester quat and in fact should be better with di-tallow hyrophobes.I would request a sample from drum to make a lab batch and see how it is in your formula.
luiscuevasii

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October 17, 2017 at 5:39 pm

@DRBOB@VERDIENT.BIZ Thanks you very much, the dealer doesnt want to open the drum, they sells only sealed/unopen drums, i want to take any information available before buying a pallet.