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ketchito said:

@Zahra Simethicone is basically poly(dimethylsiloxane) or dimethicone, with added silica gel. I actually used it as antifoam agent in fabric softeners. But I’d never think about it as “activated” dimethicone, because the dimethicone polymer didn’t suffer any structural change. But that’s only my opinion 😁

Hi, ok thanks.

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ketchito said:

@Zahra I never heard the term activated dimethicone. Perhaps it refers to the modified dimethicones with functional groups (like amodimethicones), but in that case, the term should be reactive dimethicone.

Sounds like marketingspeak to me.

Hi, active dimethicone is the same as simethicone.

According to my study in the articles but I do not know if it is true or not?

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Perry said:

Sounds like marketingspeak to me.

Hi, I’m not a marketer.

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Perry said:

Sounds like marketingspeak to me.

Hi, active dimethicone is the same as simethicone.

According to my study in the articles but I do not know if it is true or not?

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Perry said:

I don’t believe anyone on here would know how to synthesize dimethicone. This site is more related to the use and application of existing raw materials, not the synthesis of them.

But you never know, maybe someone knows. I don’t.

Hello, thank you, Mr. Perry

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Lab said:

@Zahra could you explain your question? What exactly do you want to know about this synthesis? Or is something related to procedures, features, combinations with another ingredients?

Hello

Yes thank you

I just wanted to start synthesizing these materials, I read the synthesis method in articles

But I wanted to know if anyone is familiar with this process to guide me.

Thank you

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Yes, I know

 our company is big too

I do not want to produce alone.

[Zahra]

Thank you for your good guidance

[Zahra]

ngarayeva001 said:

Dupont says glycolic has some effect too but I would take it with a shovel of salt as they sell it
https://www.cosmeticsandtoiletries.com/formulas-products/hair-care/article/21836184/determining-the-effects-of-glycolic-acid-in-hair-care-products

Hello, thank you. Yes, I know that glyoxylic acid is used instead of formaldehyde, but I do not know the percentage of use in terms of molarity or its normality, and I did not see anywhere.

I know that the rest of the ingredients help not to damage the hair during ironing or the hair does not lose its softness during washing.

[Zahra]

I do 9 to 10 hours of experimental work.

On the other hand, I do research at home.

Thank you for your guidance

But I have to come to a few other conclusions myself.

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Abdullah said:

Zahra said:

Abdullah said:

Paprik said:

It is surprising how Zahra “knows” everything,. agrees on everything and has done everything you guys tell her before, but she (I assume it is her) still has things to say and having issues.

If you read all the books, have degree in chemistry, have done countless experiments, know everything about the ingredients,  … what seems to be the issue? I’m re-reading everything and I still do not get your point. 

I don’t mean to be rude, but this is second topic (I think) from her and it looks just ridiculous. Like she is making fun of you guys. 

She thought the information about functions and benefits of an ingredient she finds on internet is all she needs to know. 
I was ike this at first too. 

I think it is better to continue mixing surfactants and some emollients

    It may work better than before.

And I will go according to your opinions.

As Mr. Perry said you are out of the knockout method

And the combination of several substances

I used to test, I used to go for these methods, but because I got tired and had to synthesize another product, it was abandoned.

knockout method is more useful when you have a fully functional formula that you totally like and now you do knockout for a specific purpose for example reducing the cost. 
Example: you have a fully functional conditioner that one of the ingredients is keratin. You do knockout keratin and see how your formula works without it. If there was no difference then you don’t use keratin anymore and reduce your product cost. 

If you don’t have a fully functional formula and you also don’t know what each ingredient is doing in the formula, i would advise as Perry said first make 1 ingredient with water and preservative and see, then add ane more and see and so on instead of adding 20 ingredients and making a bad product, then making 20 knockout formulas and still make bad products and at the end be confused that what was the purpose, benefit and result  of all these experiments. 

Now don’t say i know what each ingredient is doing in my formula 😉

I’m not saying what my formula’s ingredients do

Just their impact on what I read

And the experiments I did I realized.

The only question I asked was whether the amount of cationic surfactant in my system is low, which does not lead to straightening hair after ironing and washing?🤔

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Abdullah said:

Zahra said:

Abdullah said:

Paprik said:

It is surprising how Zahra “knows” everything,. agrees on everything and has done everything you guys tell her before, but she (I assume it is her) still has things to say and having issues.

If you read all the books, have degree in chemistry, have done countless experiments, know everything about the ingredients,  … what seems to be the issue? I’m re-reading everything and I still do not get your point. 

I don’t mean to be rude, but this is second topic (I think) from her and it looks just ridiculous. Like she is making fun of you guys. 

She thought the information about functions and benefits of an ingredient she finds on internet is all she needs to know. 
I was ike this at first too. 

I think it is better to continue mixing surfactants and some emollients

    It may work better than before.

And I will go according to your opinions.

As Mr. Perry said you are out of the knockout method

And the combination of several substances

I used to test, I used to go for these methods, but because I got tired and had to synthesize another product, it was abandoned.

knockout method is more useful when you have a fully functional formula that you totally like and now you do knockout for a specific purpose for example reducing the cost. 
Example: you have a fully functional conditioner that one of the ingredients is keratin. You do knockout keratin and see how your formula works without it. If there was no difference then you don’t use keratin anymore and reduce your product cost. 

If you don’t have a fully functional formula and you also don’t know what each ingredient is doing in the formula, i would advise as Perry said first make 1 ingredient with water and preservative and see, then add ane more and see and so on instead of adding 20 ingredients and making a bad product, then making 20 knockout formulas and still make bad products and at the end be confused that what was the purpose, benefit and result  of all these experiments. 

Now don’t say i know what each ingredient is doing in my formula 😉

Grateful

I told you before that I work for a company, not for myself

So I have to find a formula that gives me the best result

I try to combine some ingredients and see their effect on the hair.

I was successful in making products

     like the:

      Mask after bath

hair conditioner

So I have to work hard, I will not be disappointed.،☺️

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Abdullah said:

Paprik said:

It is surprising how Zahra “knows” everything,. agrees on everything and has done everything you guys tell her before, but she (I assume it is her) still has things to say and having issues.

If you read all the books, have degree in chemistry, have done countless experiments, know everything about the ingredients,  … what seems to be the issue? I’m re-reading everything and I still do not get your point. 

I don’t mean to be rude, but this is second topic (I think) from her and it looks just ridiculous. Like she is making fun of you guys. 

She thought the information about functions and benefits of an ingredient she finds on internet is all she needs to know. 
I was ike this at first too. 

I think it is better to continue mixing surfactants and some emollients

    It may work better than before.

And I will go according to your opinions.

As Mr. Perry said you are out of the knockout method

And the combination of several substances

I used to test, I used to go for these methods, but because I got tired and had to synthesize another product, it was abandoned.

[Zahra]

Zahra said:

At the university where I studied, the professor did not teach much to the student, but it is the student who must try and learn science.

I do not need your misjudgment

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Paprik said:

It is surprising how Zahra “knows” everything,. agrees on everything and has done everything you guys tell her before, but she (I assume it is her) still has things to say and having issues.

If you read all the books, have degree in chemistry, have done countless experiments, know everything about the ingredients,  … what seems to be the issue? I’m re-reading everything and I still do not get your point. 

I don’t mean to be rude, but this is second topic (I think) from her and it looks just ridiculous. Like she is making fun of you guys. 

Hello

I do not intend to make fun of you

I asked a question that had caused problems in my work

Because a few months and after I did not get results, I worked on this issue and then

I worked on another topic

I went all this way with a few experiments, but because I did not get results, I got tired

Please do not judge anyone for no reason.

[Zahra]

Now I have to try again to get a better result.

[Zahra]

Abdullah said:

What Perry said was if you start with only one ingredient+water+preservative, you know exactly what effect it has in your formula. Then add one another ingredient and you will know what effect this new ingredient has. And so on 

In several experiments you have removed or changed some ingredients but you don’t know what effects did they have and what effect do the remaining ingredients have.
You are still as confused as you were before doing all these. So you learned nothing from those experiments.

I also advise you start from one ingredient with preservative, note the results and then move on. 

Hi thanks

Yes thank you

I know the effect of the substances, but I thought more about the chemical reaction and their effect on hair straightening.

Some substances have keratin repairing properties, some substances have emollient properties and some have emulsifying properties.

Yes, as Mr. Perry said, I have tested it before.

And I reduced or removed some of the materials or replaced them.

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Of course in several series of experiments

I deleted a few items

Or alternative.

To reach a conclusion

I work on the subject from 8 am to 5 pm

Of course, I also research the subject at home.

And I think well

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Thanks for suggesting the knockout method

  I hope to achieve a good result

I am very happy to meet capable people in this forum.

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Perry said:

@Zahra - Since you are new to formulating you seem to have a common fundamental misunderstanding of how to put together a formula…. 

Hi thanks

Yes, I did some basic testing with some materials like your recommendation and added other materials to improve the work.

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Hello, thank you for all your experiences

Please introduce me to surfactants that have excellent conditioning and neutralize static electricity in the hair.

On the other hand, they are effective against washing with free sulfate shampoo and hair iron and do not disappear.

Of course, I know that large molecular surfactants are more effective.

I know a number of them and have worked with them.

But I did not get a good answer !?

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Hi thanks

Yes, I know, of course, the price of silicon has risen to some extent, as well as other materials

If I do not use these materials, they will not respond much

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I do not know if the need for cationic surfactant is up to what percentage to assume 100 grams of sample

Because the allowable limits of cationic surfactants are different

I mean, what percentage is used?

Because with every percentage I made, it formed stickiness, like cetermonium cholride

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I have to use materials that do not change up to three stages after straightening the hair with an iron, and after washing with shampoo, free sulfate does not disappear and causes the hair to straighten.

I want my hair to be soft, but I should not use too much silicone and oil because the hair fat rises.

[Zahra]

Of course from
Cetermonium chloride

And

I used polyquaternium