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@Perry
Many many thanks for thr clarification and advice Perry. ????????????

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@Perry
Will it alter the pH or the performance in anyway if added the keratin now? Kindly advise on improvement techniques to achieve the slippery feel and the detangling without glitches. Thanks ????????????

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@Perry
Phase A
D/w                                 87.10%
Aloe vera gel                    1.00%
Polyquat 7                        0.50%
Glycerine                           0.50%
Guargum                           0.25%

Phase B

Cetostearyl alcohol         0.50%
Cetyl alcohol                    1.00%
Glycol stearate                 0.50%
Stearic acid                       0.50%
BTMS 50                            3.00%
Argan oil + jojoba oil        0.30%

Phase C
Dimethicone                      2.00%
D panthenol                       1.50%
Vitamin E oil                       0.30%
Keratin                                1.00%  (missed out)
Fragrance                           0.05%

Citric  acid           1 gm
NaOH 1 M soln   13-15 drops

Observation
Frizz control - good
Detangling    - can be better
Slippery feel  - missing the keratin effect

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Oops!! Sorry about the typos. Typing while travelling.

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Using coconut oil, castor oil, palm kernel oil and a small amount of waxes and jojoba oil, gave me a lovely batch of cp soap. However, I do not have the facility to make the soap base from scratch. That is why am looking for alternate solutions

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Btw, adding a wee bit of stearic acid to the melted base did help with hardening the bar. Happy to share my experience and finding????????????

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Thanks Syl????????????

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Thanks a lot Syl????????❤???? I entirely agree with you that if I had to make the base myself, I have total control over the quality. However, I was curious to know if there are methods to achieve the best TFM, with readymade base. I read  somewhere that we could add stearic acid to the base to get the requisite hardness. Likewise, I was wondering if there is any way to improve the tfm, by adding myristic acid or similar. Please have a good laugh aloud if it sounds ignorant ????but please clarify whether possible. Thanks????????????

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But I would like to bring the rigour of quality in my product as in the US????

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No

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Thanks PhilGeis. ???? I have been sourcing from the same vendor since 2018. Iam not sure if they check the TFM. However, when I searched the net for vendors that mention the TFM, I could find a few that said soap base with 40%-60% tfm. What then makes me think is whether there is any additive that can help. ????

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@Agate@Gunther 
Thanks so much. Very helpful. 

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Should I knock off the thickeners? Will it give me the same result if reduced BTMS 50? The percentage of 5 was keeping in mind the advice received from one of you here that when silicones are used, we may have to use more BTMS 50. Please correct my understanding if wrong. Many thanks.

About the BTMS 50 was for the fishy odor.

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could the consistency issue be due to stearic acid and guar gum?

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Should I knock off the thickeners? Will it give me the same result if reduced BTMS 50? The percentage of 5 was keeping in mind the advice received from one of you here that when silicones are used, we may have to use more BTMS 50. Please correct my understanding if wrong. Many thanks.

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@EVchem Thanks?

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@EVchem yes it is thick. I am anyways planning to incorporate almost all advices received but wanted an understanding on how it could be non greasy. Thanks 

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D/w 67.6%
Glycerin 1.5%
Aloe gel 1.5%
Xanthum gum - q.s

Stearic acid and glycol stearate 4%
BTMS 50 -0.92%
Grapeseed oil+ Argan oil+ Sweet almond oil - 2%

Dimethicone - 1.5%
Cetrimonium chloride - 1.5%
M paraben - 0.80%
fragrance - 0.50%
citric acid - 0.10%

Hi all! 

If I converted the above sans xanthan gum, as suggested in the string above, what could I add to the formulation to make it non greasy? Your valuable inputs will be helpful. Thanks

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@Gunther Thanks a lot for the knowledge share . I will replace cetrimide with cetrimonium chloride or behentrimonium salt. 

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@Pharma @ngarayeva001 @Perry I am a novice in the field of cosmetic formulations and I humbly express my gratitude to everyone here especially Perry who has facilitated this forum. Every opinion/advice/suggestion means a lot to me and I am trying to incorporate these in my experimental formulation. Thank you all??

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@ozgirl Point taken with thanks? as mentioned earlier, aloe extract is what I get. Thanks so much?

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@Gunther My supplier is a reseller. I asked for cetrimonium chloride and the label reads ‘cetrimide’. Since I have a fatal passion for cosmetic formulation, I am trying my hand at it. Otherwise I am a lawyer and a finance professional.   and so I am having to trust my supplier with what he gives.? Thanks so much for the knowledge you have shared. 

The oils I read could balance off the impact of SLES on the hair. Same with aloe. Again aloe extract is what I get. It was by mistake I had mentioned gel. Thanks sgain.

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@ngarayeva001 @Perry Thank you very much for the expert advice. shall discard the batch and start over again. Many thanks.

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@EVchem Thanks so much.  Is there anything I could do to correct it or should I discard the batch? 

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@ngarayeva001 Thanks for the response. My search for alternatives is triggered by the headache I had after I tried the new batch. I have posted the formula in ‘Hair’ section herein. Will be happy if someone could help me see the error in formulation if any. Many thanks.