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@tinas - This statement, “Products on this list have been found to contain ingredients which are commonly considered to be microplastic ingredients…” is not correct. They have simply listed every synthetic polymer.
Microplastics specifically refer to particles, the smallest of which is 1.6 micro meters. Ingredients like Acrylates Copolymer, Carbomer, Dimethicone and PVP do not make particles that size. These ingredients at worst would be considered “nanoplastics.” It’s an exaggeration to say that “nanoplastics” represent a significant hazard in the environment. They don’t, at least according to the experts. https://www.sapea.info/topics/microplastics/
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@tinas & @ngarayeva001 - there are lots of raw material suppliers on that list who would object to their ingredients being labeled as “microplastics”
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These are the most common ones used. I don’t know what you define as “natural” so I can’t really recommend anything specifically. Some people consider Sodium Lauryl Sulfate natural, some people don’t.
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These are the problems for which synthetic detergents were created to correct. Sure you can use lye based soap to wash dishes, but not without the problems you noted.
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To get a helpful response you really need to list all the ingredients you want to be working with and the type of product you’re trying to make.
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You might try a cellulose gum (e.g. VIVAPUR) but probably not. When you formulate “natural” you often can’t make products that work as well as standard cosmetics. Using a blend of synthetic and natural ingredients just results in superior products, at least from a technical standpoint.
But you can search through their database to see if you can find something. http://www.cosmos-standard-rm.org/verifmp.php
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No, it should not affect the product texture.
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Sure, you can but why would you want to?
The whole point of using an emulsifier in a formula is to combine oil and water. Without oil, there isn’t much point.
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Correct, you have no styling polymer in the product. You won’t get much long lasting hold without it. PVP or PVP/VA should do the trick. And the Jojoba pearls aren’t really doing much.
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@Gunther - I guess a reduction in stickiness is good although I think the same could be achieved if formulating with glycerin properly.
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Here’s a study purporting to look at Panthenol in skin products.
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/29f8/5e7b925f71483995027c89bf7d757c64f1a0.pdf
According to the study, panthenol improves moisturization. Of course, you could easily achieve this with petrolatum or increasing the level of glycerin. Additionally, the study is single blinded, so the people getting the treatment don’t know what the samples are but the people doing the measurements do? That seems sketchy.
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Here’s one from the book Poucher’s Perfumes, Cosmetics and Soaps
I’ve never made it.
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@Aziz - HCl does not work like an AHA or BHA. It is simply used to adjust the pH of the system in the same way that NaOH is used. It’s not meant to do anything else in the formula.
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Yes, you have to experiment. Most fragrances require some type of solubilizer like Polysorbate 20.
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@Aziz - well, when diluted out in a formula it’s perfectly safe. It’s like using NaCl as it dissociates in Cl- and H+ ions. The less safe part is during production. But if you are making a batch in a lab you can make a 1% HCl solution and that is fine to use.
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Yeah, this is just an emollient that might make the skin look a bit more shiny which might convince someone their tattoo looks better. Nothing to actually brighten the color.
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Phosphoric acid
Hydrochloric acid -
Well, nothing can guarantee stability but those are reasonable tests to give you a high degree of confidence that the product will stay stable.
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@maria - Interesting. The study looks at the penetration ability of HA and shows that some versions penetrate deep in the stratum corneum. I don’t agree that it shows that anything penetrates more deeply than glycerin though.
In reading the study, a few things occurred to me.
1. The study just looked at the migration of HA through human skin samples. While it provides an interesting model, it says little about how the ingredient behaves on living skin. Things like moisture levels, NMF, blood circulation, etc may all have an impact on the migration of these materials.
2. Glycerin goes everywhere any grade of HA goes. There is glycerin distributed throughout the skin both at the top and 100 micrometers down. In this way, Glycerin can be anywhere that any grade of HA can be.
3. This study doesn’t look at any end result of the treatment (e.g. moisturization). My initial contention that Glycerin works every bit as good as HA is gotten to by considering the end result of applying the two materials to the skin and taking measurements like skin moisturization, feel or any other property that a consumer would notice about their skin.
The only use study we have was the one posted above that showed glycerin outperformed HA.
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@EVchem - Of course, something must be strange going on here because I didn’t think you could make more than a 2% solution of Hyaluronic Acid without it turning into a thick solid.
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@ToddZiegler69 - What you should do really depends on your main objective.
If you want to learn to be a cosmetic chemist or formulator, then going through a course like ours (http://chemistscorner.com/formulating-cosmetics ) is a good place to start. This also has the added benefit that you get to ask formulation questions as you go through and make your own formulas.
However, if your goal is to “…create and sell cosmetics to generate funding for our charity” as you stated, learning how to make cosmetics is not worth your time. Hire a cosmetic formulator or a contract manufacturer to make the products for you. Find some products on the market that roughly match the type of products that you want and show them to the company/formulator so they can make something similar.
Learning to make cosmetics and learning to SELL cosmetics require completely different skill sets. Being good at making cosmetics will not help much at all with your goal of learning to sell cosmetics. While it is useful to know about the ingredients in your formulas and roughly how things are made, this is of secondary importance to you selling products.Here is what you should do.
1. First, go through our free report http://startascosmeticline.com
2. Then figure out who your customer is and what type of products they want to buy.
3. Create a brand name, graphics, start up social media accounts
4. Then, figure out what type of products you want to make.
5. Next, figure out how much you’ll charge, and how you will take & fill orders.
6. Then, and only then find a contract manufacturer to make the products.
7. Finally, get started marketing and selling your products.
8. Repeat this process until you’ve generated enough money that you don’t need to keep on doing it or you can sell it to a big company for hundreds of millions of dollars.The bottom line is to answer the question for yourself…do you want to become a chemist or do you want to build a cosmetic brand? There is no reason you need to do both.
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@EVchem - Great find, thanks!
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What is the INCI name for 4046?
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@unconditional - there is no scientific support for this position. While types of silicone can coat the hair, it’s not like it creates an impenetrable coating. There is a lot of misinformation being passed around in regards to hair & hair treatments.
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Sorry, “healthy hair” is just not a straight forward term. Would you say “healthy shoelace”? Because hair is exactly as alive as a shoe lace.
But your description of what you consider healthy hair is useful
1. Hair looks better - use a conditioner. Silicones are useful for keeping hair held together and making it look more shiny and less dull.
2. Improving the hair cuticle - this is not possible. Once the cuticle is chipped off the hair, there is nothing you can do to improve the cuticle. What you can do is put a coating on the hair fiber which will flatten down the cuticle making it look, feel, and behave better. Once the coating is gone the hair will revert to its natural, damaged state. However, using silicones like Dimethicone and Cationic polymers like Polyquaternium-10 can improve the hair appearance and feel.
You cannot do anything topically to make the hair grow (except Minoxidil of course if you have hair loss). But nothing has been proven to make hair grow faster. If it did, it would be a drug. And if someone had found something that did, it would already be on the market. Nothing works topically for hair growth.
As @Pharma said, vitamins are a waste of money & will have zero effect on your hair.