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@RDKOXYNERGY - While the main expertise on this forum is cosmetics, it really is for any type of formulator. Please don’t be discouraged & thanks for your contribution.
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@gregwhite - Stability depends on how you make it and the other ingredients in the formula.
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@manny - “Toxicological test data on Ozokerite, Ceresin, Montan Wax, Paraffin, Microcrystalline Wax, Emulsifying Wax N.F, Synthetic Wax and Synthetic Beeswax are presented. Based on the documented animal and clinical test data, it is concluded that these waxes are safe for use as cosmetic ingredients in the present practices of concentration and use.”
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Here is the toxicity report of Borax.
“in concentrations < 5%, are safe as cosmetic ingredients when used as currently recommended”Here is the toxicity report of emulsifying wax if you’re curious.
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@manny - to figure out the HLB required you need to also have the relative ratios of the oils. For example, if you had equal amount of each oil the required HLB would be…
(6.5+8+14)/3 = 9.5
To make a stable emulsion then you should pick an emulsifier two units above that and two units below.
Emulsifier1 HLB = 7.5
Emulsifier2 HLB = 11.5The emulsifiers you’ve listed are not the best for the oil phase you’re trying to make.
So, something like…
PEG-8 Dioleate HLB = 8
PEG-8 Oleate HLB = 11.6 -
When talking about borax, what do you mean by “…is it any worse…”?
Vitamin E does not have any measurable benefit to scalp. It’s included in hair care as a marketing ingredient.
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@nhag77 - What do you want to modify about the formula? What are you trying to accomplish by “taking something off from the formula”?
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Limiting the definition of surfactant to something that can form micelles seems like a pretty good parameter
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You don’t have a proper emulsifier in your formula.
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Email marketing.
Social Media engagement.
Partner with IFSCC & SCC
Beauty Trade showsBut as @Belassi said, this is a forum of chemists & formulators. There is not a lot of marketing expertise here.
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@MakingSkincare - great point. In the US the limit on cetrimonium chloride in leave-in conditioners is 0.25%
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@johnb is right. Those levels are way too high for a leave-in conditioner.
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That’s a pretty high level of Cetrimonium Chloride (if you’re using 100% active). 1% would be enough. Too much can be irritating to skin.
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@Shubh123 - Thanks for the update.
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As a website publisher in this topic, a formulator and someone who has worked on brands (others and starting my own) there is a lot of opportunity in the contract manufacturing space. Quite frankly most of the ones that I’ve worked with were not very good in terms of customer service. I don’t think you’ll be able to off-load customer interactions with a secondary manufacturer. If you keep yourself in the middle and have great service, you’ll do alright in my opinion.
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If you want a better answer, include your formula or at least a list of all the ingredients in your formula.
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Yes @johnb is correct. Just send a message to the person you want to contact. You can ask them directly for their email.
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@Microformulation - I’d add, if your product showed up in California with the word “organic” on it and dimethicone listed you’d also probably get sued.
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Thanks for your post.
I think you are getting a skewed vision of what consumers believe and how they behave. If you confine your view of what consumers believe to social media and blogs, indeed you will find lots of ridiculous scaremongering.
You may even get the impression that every consumer wants all-natural, completely sustainable products that won’t harm them or the planet.
This impression is mistaken.
Look at the facts. From a market standpoint that “natural cosmetic” market makes up maybe 15% of the market. That means 85% of people buy non-“natural” cosmetics.
Companies like The Honest Company or Burts Bees or Say Yes To might get publicity but when it comes to sales, those brands are puny compared to Olay, CoverGirl, Tresemme, Dove, Pantene, Head and Shoulders.
The vast majority of consumers care about whether a product works or not. If it solves their particular problem and it’s available in the stores where they shop, they’ll buy it. They don’t care about the ingredients in the formula.
I don’t know in what area you are formulating but if you want to know what most consumers are buying, it’s probably products from P&G, L’Oreal, Unilever, J&J, Colgate/Palmolive, Avon, Estee Lauder, or any of the other large corporations that dominate the cosmetic industry.
If you’re only marketing angle is that your products are somehow “safer” than standard products, you very likely won’t be successful.
My advice is to craft a story, build an audience, and sell them the best performing products that you can make. If someone doesn’t like that you use parabens or sulfates or PEGs, don’t worry about them much. They just aren’t a member of your tribe.
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@Bobzchemist - Unless you were using the term “organic” like a chemist. Dimethicone is a hydrocarbon.
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@Bobzchemist - I’ve added a new feature to the forum. If you see questionable comments you can flag them and give a reason for flagging. I agree this comment (which is the 4th essentially identical comment) needs to be edited.
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I’m going to try out a new plugin that will warn people with a big red box when they are responding to a really old post. Maybe that will help alleviate the problem.
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I do have the ability to close off old threads but if the comments are still relevant then I don’t see a problem with it. Maybe other people see it differently?
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If you’re using it to control viscosity it will probably make your product thinner.
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I haven’t used the material but for people who are curious, here is a link to the raw material from Elementis. Thixin R. Since I like to speak in terms of the INCI name, it is called Trihydroxystearin