Perry44
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Do you have a link to the new regulation?
I don’t expect retinol to have a big impact on performance so the only impact I think it will have is that retinol containing products will be less irritating to more people.
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Yes.
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It also works from a mobile device
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Ah, I was able to reply by clicking all the way on the right side of the Reply button. If you click in the middle it doesn’t work, but on the right edge, it works. Weird. Hopefully we get this fixed soon!
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I don’t have any book to recommend you. Sorry, maybe someone else in this forum will.
As far as Titanium Dioxide goes, the product is made by L’Oreal. They know how to make products and they know how to properly label them. Whatever book you read that claimed you need 20% to get an SPF 20, they are just wrong. L’Oreal knows how to do it with only 1.75%.
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The product claims to be SPF 25. The 1.75% Titanium Dioxide is the active ingredient that gives the product the SPF rating. In the US, sunscreens are categorized as over the counter drugs. So, they have to use an approved sunscreen like Titanium Dioxide to achieve the SPF rating.
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Agreed
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There’s a market for it, just not a particularly big one.
Making a good, unscented product is not a technically difficult problem. So, you have to ask yourself, why aren’t there more unscented products on the market?
The answer…because most people don’t buy them.
Fragrance is used because MOST people want their cosmetic products to smell nice. They want the experience of a fragrance during use.
There will always be a niche market for unscented products. It just will never be very big in my opinion. Say, around 10% or less of the total market.
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Yes, anti microbial claims are not allowed for cosmetics in the US.
Microbiome claims are not likely to be considered drug claims. But I could envision a lawsuit in the future against microbiome claims, so if you’re going to make the claim you should have some way to prove what you’re saying is true. I don’t think these would be considered “puffery”.
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It’s a difficult question to get useful answers to because I don’t think people actually know why they prefer one odor over another. Sure, they’ll come up with explanations, but those probably aren’t true.
People have been told that fragrance is bad for skin & should be avoided so that belief gets put into their head. But the body generates positive feelings when encountering certain odors & beliefs are thrown out the window.
Any brand can launch fragrance free products. If the majority of consumers wanted them, that would be the standard way products are made & sold.
That most products have fragrance says a lot.
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Thanks - I’ll check it out. I really find this new system a bit annoying.
As for your old account, it still exists. I think it just wasn’t imported in properly. I’ll send you login information so you can check it out.
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Well, it does something in terms of skin irritation. So, it makes sense to regulate it.
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I just went with what my IT guy recommended. I liked the past forum software (Vanilla) better but I’m a chemist not a IT guy so didn’t even know about xenforo.
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As long as the manufacturer can substantiate their claims and demonstrate under some conditions the product they are selling works as a preservative, I doubt they would have any liability if a finished product had microbial contamination. Having said that, in the US anyone can pretty much sue anyone for any reason. I just don’t think the finished goods maker would win.
This would be similar to if a consumer used a product that was claimed to strengthen hair, but their hair still broke so they sued the product maker. Sure they could sue, but they would lose.
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We’re working on fixing some of the problems. Thanks for the feedback
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Hello Joy,
Thank you for the notification. Yes, this is a problem for everyone and I’m having my IT guys work on fixing it. Unfortunately, we don’t have a fix just yet but hopefully today!
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I don’t know.
Are you typing your message in some other program, then cutting and pasting it into the forum?
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The one from Dr Baki is probably the most appropriate for you, but these are industry books. They are not meant to teach people how to make things at home. Some products (like the foundation you are mentioning) need special equipment to be able to make them. You can’t make some things at home unless you have a proper lab.
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It does amaze me sometimes, the gullibility of some formulators. I guess I can understand the DIYers, but I even see scientists working in the industry that fall for raw materials supplier marketing stories. Don’t they realize that the BS marketing used to sell their own cosmetics is the same type of BS marketing used to sell raw materials?
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Were you able to edit them before yesterday?
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I think people do not realize that raw material suppliers are marketers first & science is second. So, if they want to sell a “broad spectrum” preservative, they are going to set up their test to ensure it makes any claim they want to make, not false.
They don’t try to set up their material to fail which is what you would do if you cared about finding what’s true. That means there are lots of ingredients that the suppliers have proven to work under specific conditions but they probably won’t work under other conditions.
Raw material suppliers are marketers!
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So what makes you think your assertion that preservatives are causing health problems? Without data, isn’t a more rational explanation is that the problems are more psychosomatic & not caused by preservatives?
It just doesn’t seem that you’ve come to your conclusions based on science. It’s also not something that the independent experts of the SCCS have identified either. The EU has no problem banning anything that’s even a suspected harm inducer. They don’t even require completed studies. Even they don’t support the concerns you are raising about parabens.
What evidence would convince you parabens are safe?
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My advice. Find products that work for you & are at a price you can afford.
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First, you’d be surprised how little the average consumer thinks about this stuff. For most consumers, if it is sold at a store it’s fine. They really don’t look at the ingredient lists. In fact, paraben remain the most popular preservative used in cosmetics. They’ve dropped a lot in volume but most consumers don’t care.
But some consumers do care and from a marketing standpoint it’s generally better to cater to consumers that care about a topic because the ones who don’t will just buy whatever is on sale. So, marketers & retailers care more about what you put in than the average consumer.
In reality, the cosmetic industry is controlled by Marketing departments. The R&D folks make what they are asked to make (if possible). We’ll grumble about being hamstrung & creating products that aren’t as good as they could be, but ultimately, Marketing & Sales can override any R&D complaints. Consumers also don’t really care either.
There really is little benefit to a company to educate consumers about what is true in the beauty business. Nearly the entire industry is built on fantasy and story telling. Safety, sustainability, natural, active ingredients, antiaging…they’re all just stories needed to convince people to buy products they probably don’t really need. “Truth-telling” also becomes a marketing story that can work for some brands but not others. Chemical fear mongering is just another story telling technique for getting consumers to buy your product rather than your competitor’s.
In truth, I think consumers should bother worrying about chemicals in their beauty products. Products are safe. Unless you have an interest in becoming a Toxicologist, learning about mutagens, EDs, carcinogens, etc. researching on your own is a waste of time. If you are not an expert, you will most likely be mislead by your personal beliefs. You will cherry pick studies that support what you want to believe & ignore the things that don’t support it.
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The FDA has a classification called OTC (over the counter) Drugs. So, a product can be both a cosmetic and a drug. If you sell an antiperspirant, sunscreen, anti-dandruff product, toothpaste with fluoride, etc. These are all considered both drugs and cosmetics. You have to follow the FDA monograph for the specific product. It specifies the active ingredients you can use (and the amounts) plus the claims you can make. See this post for a full list. Cosmetics that are drugs