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I would say that an increase and wax combined with 5% HCO should be more than enough to form a stable emulsion. You will have to try it to find out though.
Lecithin is a pretty poor emulsifier so it does not add much to the overall formula anyways.
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Increase wax or add a different wax like candelilla. Lower PVP from 5% to 2%. 5% PVP is likely to produce a sticky, hardening mess.
Remove aloe gel.
Remove lecithin, it is a horrible emulsifier.If you can, I would streak a sample of this product on an agar plate and incubate it just to see if anything grows. While it is not an accurate method of determining the efficacy of a preservative, it could give you some general info.
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If you look hard enough, you might.
Truth be told, no one uses flaxseed to make gels in cosmetics because flaxseed gels suck. In the past, I tried to make a passable product out of them but it just isn’t worth it.If you want to stay natural, try xanthan gum. If you are willing to use synthetics (which I highly recommend), then you can try carbomer, polyacrylate crosspolymer-6 or guar gum.
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For my shampoos, I use 10%-15% asm.
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That whole coating the hair thing is used as a marketing term. Most of the time, thickening products make hair looks thicker by incorporating a polymer into the product which will give your hair volume and keep the hair toghether.
You can do this by adding something like PVP at 1% or something like VP/VA copolymer. I will add that it won’t do much in a conditioner since most of the polymer would ne rinsed away. A leave-in conditioner could work.
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This is unrelated, but may I ask what kind of product you are making?
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I agree with @Belassi .
Both shea butter and coconut oil have low melting points. Without adding something like wax, it will never remain stable at 45C.Why would you be worried about the source being a synthetic derivative? In no way, shape or form would that make your formula unsafe.
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When water starts to emerge from a product, it is usually because the emulsion is not quite good and needs an extra bit of help.
Alternatively, this could also be due to poor mixing of the product. After adding fragrance and preservatives, I usually find it best to spend a decent amount of time blending to ensure stability. You might try bumping up your emulsifier a tiny bit and making another batch.
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Frankly, I would say that a phenoxyethanol blend would be best if you cant do parabens. Your formula is rich in bug food and I can’t see a natural preservative doing the job.
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Parabens?
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@Gunther
@ngarayeva001
Thanks for the extra input. I have considered making my own cetearyl alcohol and I might give it a try.
As for the behenyl alcohol, I will do some research and see if I might give it a try. -
Pour temps will depend from formula to formula. Since you’re using waxes, you will have to pour at a higher temperature so that it does not clump.
If pouring at high heat is causing issues for you, you can always heat your container up a bit and pour your hot mixture into that. It will help the product cool slower which should produce a similar effect to pouring at lower temps.
When you see people pour at lower temps that is simply because their formula allows it.
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Consistency is something which you will have to play with to get right. Each formula is quote different when it comes to getting the perfect texture.
The stickiness likely has something to do with the PVP and the high level of ceteareth.
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@Belassi
I completely agree, however none of the suppliers I currently use sell cetearyl alcohol.If I truly wanted, I could obtain some, but for the time being I find it more convenient to keep my number of suppliers to a minimum.
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Ceteareth-25 is generally a great emulsifier and it does provide a bit of hold but for this project I would recommend trying something else.
You could try Emulsifying Wax NF or PEG-40 Hydrogenated Castor Oil (or a mix of both).Polysorbate 80 might also be a half decent option. I would just make up the hold with 2-3% more wax.
I’ve also just noticed that you are currently using 15% E-Wax. Is that not enough on it’s own to emulsify your product? If it isn’t, you should just remake your emulsifier system because it seems to be a bit messy/unoptimised.
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Forgot to mention that ceteareth-25 is non-polar and goes in the oil phase.
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If you’re not trying to make a gel, I would not use more than 3-4% ceteareth. It has some thickening and gelling properties which end up being more pronounced when you go past these levels. Frankly, it’s not the kind of emulsifier which I would suggest for a clay pomade (assuming you want it to be creamy).
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Belassi said:parabens.
I support this proposition. ^^
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Oils in shampoos tend to be used at levels of ~0.1%. They are only there to be used as claims ingredients. Oils serve no useful purpose in shampoos.
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@ngarayeva001
Thanks for the advice!
I currently have the cetyl alcohol at 5% in my formula so we’ll see how it turns out. -
I also noticed that your have no emulsifier. How are you keeping these ingredients toghether? Are you just shaking vigorously?
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I completely agree with @ngarayeva001
On another note, I just noticed that you have no preservative listed. If you want to incorporate water into your formula, you must also preserve it.
My personal recommendation would be to use a synthetic preservative such as parabens or phenoxyethanol. A natural preservative likely won’t be enough to preserve your formula due to the large amount of organic matter present.
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If you don’t have experience with preservatives, I would ditch the idea of making your own mixture and simply buy a good preservative (like parabens or phenoxyethanol mixtures) from a manufacturer.
And yes, you must get your product tested and you should not attempt it yourself. It will likely cost a few hundred dollars but it is better than getting sued.
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You’ll have to find an organic emulsifier although, I’m not sure what you classify as “organic”?