[mikethair]

Why add niacinamide?

And when you say “fragrance” will you use synthetics or essential oils?

With my own manufacturing company I owned for about 20 years, we did a lot of body oils that we exported globally. And the key to sales is an attractive fragrance.

[mikethair]

No surprises here. In my case, I formulated and produced a liquid soap that was certainly very effective in removing grease. We exported this product globally from 2006.

And yes, soap is antibacterial.

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[mikethair]

The process would very much depend on your location and the compliance requirements in place. Surely you have someone in your organisation who is on top of this. In my case, in 2006, I co-founded two skincare manufacturing factories, which ran until 2023. And among my staff, I appointed a QC Manager who took care of this.

[mikethair]

Here’s a pic of the dish wash I produced and exported globally.

[mikethair]

I’m doing the best I can within my limited capacity as a scientist. Maybe I should give it up, I’m obviously not performing to your high expectations.

[mikethair]

According to the dictionary, the term “ecofriendly” means “not harmful to the environment, or trying to help the environment.” I referred to the Cambridge Dictionary. So not, as you have said, “subjective nontechnical ad-speak.”

And again, I have never had issues with soap scum.

[mikethair]

Yes indeed, liquid hand dish wash.

When you say “eco-friendly is meaningless,” I disagree. Using only plant oils and not the usual synthetics (or their greenwashed synthetics) goes some way to be eco-friendly.

And I have difficulty with your reference to “plant based SLS Na lauryl sulfate, ” and much prefer to use saponified plant oils. A lot more eco-friendly once they go back into our environment.

To-date, after many years of producing ” true soap,” have never had complaints of “soap scum.”

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[mikethair]

My approach was to saponify plant oils. It ticks all the boxes. And produced a very profitable dish wash liquid.

[mikethair]

From where I’m sitting, that’s a very complex formulation for an eye cream. I would be looking at a much simpler oil formulation in a dropper bottle, and without all the synthetics.

[mikethair]

I would suggest using essential oils in place of synthetic fragrances. The oils are far more difficult to blend, but in my opinion, produce a better outcome and consumer satisfaction.

[mikethair]

Yes indeed, very important.

[mikethair]

I may be able to assist. mikethair@gmail.com

[mikethair]

I’m sorry, I don’t see any issue with what I have written.

[mikethair]

With respect, that’s why as a scientist I use the scientific name Eucalyptus citriodora so that there is no mistake.

[mikethair]

Thanks. That’s a great insight.

[mikethair]

Yes, but there is a niche in the marketplace that does not want to use these synthetic surfactant products. It’s that simple. Of course, this niche is of no interest to the large conglomerates that dominate this market.

Again, we never had any issues with soap scum. This is due to the formulation I produced.

[mikethair]

Yes, I agree; effectiveness is difficult to determine. In our case, we simply relied on the feedback from our consumers and return sales. The consensus was that the product worked without any harmful effects.

[mikethair]

Thanks for your kind words and details of your own endeavours.

Soapmaking is an interest of mine and for years in Malaysia and Viet Nam the focus of our business. It provided much-needed employment in the local community. And an opportunity to export globally.

Yes, it is a niche industry and massive profits and turnover were never our aim. But financially, we did well.

For a large company, I would not recommend traditional soap making.

[mikethair]

Indeed, soap making is an art, and in doing so it provides an opportunity to make your mark in the marketplace.

And at the same time, a chance to share your philosophy and identity, and this is what people are buying into. In taking this stance, you are not bossed around by the consumer or market and become more driven by your own convictions. In my case, it was old-fashioned values from simpler times and exotic fragrances that you away to a time and place where life moves more leisurely.

And a very good reason why andy982183 should pursue soap as the basis for his product.

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[mikethair]

I’m an individual, so I post what I want, and I don’t need your permission before posting.

[mikethair]

A side story to all of this. As a scientist, I wanted to push things a bit further, and as I was living in Malaysia at the time where I realised there was a lot of used Palm Oil being discarded down drains.

So I teamed up with a group of intellectually and physically disabled to collect this used palm oil, and I spent months teaching them how to saponify this collected Palm Oil to produce a general household cleaner, package and sell to produce themselves some income.

And this project still runs today providing them with a sustainable income.

So I will leave all your negativity with you, and your expertise in digging up references from the web, while I continue with my work as a scientist and to turn my knowledge into something that can benefit those who are disadvantaged.

[mikethair]

Yes indeed, the science is clear. I produced these products for 17 years, after spending one year perfecting the formulation, including extensive consumer evaluations globally. Yep, DHL loved me!!!

Saponification is complex, and the formulation has many variables, including the oils used, saponification values used, and super-fat calculations.

And, scum was not an issue with what I finally produced.

Question? Have you yourself ever produced these products, or are you simply trotting out well-known fallacies perpetuated by the producers of synthetic cleansers?

[mikethair]

I’m available and have developed and produced similar products.

From nothing, in 2006, I co-founded two skincare manufacturing factories, which ran until 2023. This gives me 17 years experience of hands-on experience in formulating and making skincare plus various dish washes. My products were exported globally.

It’s best to contact me directly via email: mikethair@gmail.com

[mikethair]

Thanks ozgirl, good to know.

[mikethair]

With your comment “Without sulfates it will be much more difficult to get good foaming (not
impossible just more difficult),” I have found that by using the right combination of saponified plant oils, good foaming is not an issue. For example, coconut oil is a good one to add to a combination of oils to increase foaming.

The global brand Dr Bronners, who also saponify plant oils, do not have foaming issues. And of course you can avoid all the health issues of using synthetic surfactants.