Microformulation
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Is this for a market? If so, you are limited to the actives, concentrations and dosage forms approved by the OTC Monograph, of which Neem is not approved.
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I volunteer at an Animal Shelter.
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Belassi said:Absolutely! Let’s go back to Roman times. It will be great standing naked while a slave slathers olive oil all over me and then scrapes it off with a blunt knife.One must smell nice at the Vomitorium.
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All good points.
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I understand the differences quite well.The issue is simply that the bias against these products is growing. I get approached about once a quarter now from lines that want to respond to the bias and reformulate.My key point was to dispute that it is considered “quite mild.” I believe that I have made a great case that this is not necessarily the case.
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Yes, but in my anecdotal experience, I have seen 5-6 lines in the last 3 years move away from the alkylpolyglucosides. @Belassi has experienced this as well if you followed some of his relevant posts.
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Both via anecdotal evidence and studies, Decyl Glucoside is hardly non-irritating. https://www.jaad.org/article/S0190-9622(17)32539-2/fulltext
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Absolutely. My biggest vet client is a Veterinary Dermatologist. She rails against the use of saponified soaps in Vet use whenever it comes up. She sees canines with skin issues with the “Natural” liquid soap shampoos all the time.
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Belassi said:Just try and see. That is how we improve.I am glad someone pointed that out. There is no substitute for the hands-on lab work. “Will 3% SA dissolve in 10% PG?” DO the work and let me know.
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That is why you use a pH modifier.
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To be brutally honest, “gel traps” is a term rarely used in real Cosmetic Chemistry, In this case, it is a Seppic promoted term. I have even talked about this with the head of Technical at Seppic at a seminar.
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As @MarkBroussard pointed out, there are many surfactants but in many cases, they are not available in the amounts you need. I would make one criteria the availability of the materials to a beginner. You could go through the credit process and spend a thousand or so on a drum, but that is your drum from that point on. If you change the Formula and don’t use it, it is still your drum. The surfactant you are mentioning is a drum type material. I would spend less time looking at multiple bases that no offense you aren’t knowledgeable yet to make the real distinctions. Make the above shampoo and do the formulating. You are stalled in the paper/whiteboard planning. Despite any theoretical assertations, real World lab work is the ONLY way to get a definitive answer on the properties of the raw materials.
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I would wager that we are speaking about Magnesium sulfate in a solution. It is unfortunately called Magnesium oil the crappers, oops crafters.
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Gunther said:About the only truly “natural” soaps
are vegetable oils (found in nature) saponified with Sodium or Potassium hydroxide (man made).
But the results will be awful and pH way too high, which would be irritating for dogs.Spot on.
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I have never tried it with arginine, but I have used arginine in several other projects. For example, if you explore the spec sheets from Emulsense HC (Inolex) you will see that they use arginine to raise pH.Unless it was needed for a technical reason I wouldn’t get too excited. The cost as contrasted to other neutralizers is huge.
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Also, why sulfate-free? If you do some market research into the mainstream shampoos, sulfates dominate in this market. Sulfates get a bad rap and they are safe and non-irritating when properly formulated. Since it isn’t for marketing, it doesn’t have to hit the market and overcome some preconceived marketing fallacy.
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@Kull_Axel Let me ask. What is the predominant reason that you feel it has to be natural? Natural is not always safer (this is a fallacy) and in this case, you aren’t even close. The natural animal shampoos are in many cases based on diluted saponified liquid soaps and there is always a debate how well they can tolerate the higher pH inherent to these liquid soaps.Simply even working with a fuzzy definition of the undefined term “natural” this not “natural.”I have done several of these lines. In almost every case I have a client that rode the misconception regarding “natural” and price to the end and then has been required to reformulate due to price.
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And if you really had any substantial absorption, it is no longer a Cosmetic.
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Not to beat a dead horse, but this is why I dislike the term “natural.” It means nothing. Usually, it is a barrier since it restricts the Formulation. However, there are cases on the other end of the spectrum. From a purely objective standpoint and referencing the natural standards, this would not be demonstrably “natural.” Now, that would not be an issue with most shampoos in this market sector. The price points which products have to meet in these products is very tight. In almost every case there is huge pressure to stay within the market prices. If you look and get objective sales data (not cool website, they must be huge), you will see that very few “natural” lines have prospered in this sector.
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My shower bar has a kegerator. I am enjoying @Belassi‘s creative answers to these vague requests.
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“Bestseller for Amazon” hardly implies any quality or Regulatory Compliance.The line is using the term Organic improperly in the US. In the US an “Organic” product is a product produced and certified under the USDA NOP Cosmetics Program.No offense to anyone, but in my opinion, EWax is at best a hobbyists’ emulsifier.This is a case of Marketing versus Science.
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PEG-90M.If you search Spider Wax you find a starting Formula;https://www.ulprospector.com/documents/992752.pdf?bs=76&b=93592&st=1&sl=73361841&crit=a2V5d29yZDpbc3BpZGVyIHdheF0%3d&k=spider|wax&r=na&ind=personalcare