[MarkHkang]

Thank you @Belassi for your words and advice. 

When you say there is “NO way to get any polar item into the laquer,” it is kinda frustrating. Now what should I do lol. I wonder how other companies like Essie and OPI do it to make their nail strengthener then. Their LOI contains such water soluble ingredients. I assume they do use very veyr tiny amount? 

Anyways, thank you Belassi!

Best,

[MarkHkang]

@Bobzchemist

Thank you.

 I will definitely take a look and have our regulatory person review their products.

Really appreciate it

[MarkHkang]

@Belassi

are these legit? I have seen them online. They don’t even have their website. 

[MarkHkang]

Thank you @Bill_Toge and @Bobzchemist for your words.

In the past we tried to develop color changing nail polish such as Thermochromic and Photochromic. However, they all contained ingredients not allowed so that the project was turned down. 

Now we are trying to revive this project again as we see there are thermochromic nail polish in the market. Hopefully they are selling it legally. 

Do you know such a vendor who provides these pigments? 

[MarkHkang]

Do you mean gel as in nail polish? I suppose PL = Esstech? 

Try to contact Lou Palermo at lou@palermolundahl.com. He is one of the upper management people at Esstech. He will kindly help you with samples too. 

[MarkHkang]

If so, how do they get away with this kind of incorrect labels? I wonder if it is worth anything to hide any ingredient as galina and DavidW suggested. 

[MarkHkang]

@braveheart

Actually I am using about 30-35 % total mass of glycerin, but I don’t feel that moisturizing. 

@Belassi

Yes, I did see that the clay clump together and fall off the skin. Thanks for the comments. Yeah I have formulated a facial clay mask that works great but it contains water and need to be heated. Now I am looking into no water leg and feet clay mask that would give significant moisturizing effect that customers would notice. I will indeed try Sorbitol

[MarkHkang]

I also tried adding vegetable oil with cetrimonium chloride being a surfactant, thinking by adding oil would give more moisturizing to the skin. They are stable but, it didn’t give a noticeable effect. 

Is there any ingredient that would be absorbed in the skin quickly and would give noticeable conditioning effect? 

[MarkHkang]

@Belassi

Thank you. Just a combination of Bentonite/kaolin/ Caco3 would give you a conditioning effect by themselves?  Is it a wash off product? 

@Bobzchemist

Thank you. Disastrous because of its low viscosity and it would be dripping everywhere?  Actually I am mixing these with Polyquaternium-37 to make it a really thick and gooey kind of product. Also, I am aiming to make cold-processed product that doesn’t require me to heat up any materials. So far, it has not been that moisturizing. But I will try Sorbitol. Thanks. Any suggestions on the % use level? I have never used sorbitol before lol. 

[MarkHkang]

Thank you for your comments @Bobzchemist and @milliachemist !!

Didn’t know it was called crash cooling. 

As I said, AHAVA’s thickness is not viscous, it just feels like whipped butter. 

here is the LOI: water, vegetable oil, shea butter, cyclomethicone, ethylhexyl palmitate, stearyl alcohol, peg-40 stearate, glycerin, sodium lactate, cetearyl olivate & sorbitan olivate, c10-18 triglycerides, sorbitan tristearate, cetyl palmitate & sorbitan palmitate, caprylyl glycol & chlorphenesin @ phenoxyethanol, peach kernel oil & hydrogenated vegetable oil, aloe barbadensis leaf juice, propylene carbonate & quaternium-18 hectorite, dead sea water, parfum, allantoin, dimethicone & dimethiconol, xanthan gum, flower extract, fig extract, oblipicha fruit oil, pvp, benzyl salicylate, butylphenyl methylpropional, citral, citronellol, hexyl cinnamal, limonene

latest formula that I have come up with:

water: 43

vege oil: 14

shea butter:  8

cyclomethicone: 5

ethylhexyl palmitate : 4

stearyl alcohol:  3.6

peg-40 stearate: 3

glycerin: 2.8

sodium lactate: 2.7

cetearyl olivate & sorbitan olivate (i used olivem 1000) 2.5

c10-18 triglycerides: 2.2

cetyl palmitate& sorbitan palmitate: 1.8

caprylyl glycol & chlorphensin & phenoxyethanol  1

peach butter: 1

quaternium-18 hectorite: 0.8

dimethicone” 0.6

xanthan gum 0.3

These are the only ingredients I have put into my formula thinking the rest wouldn’t have significant impacts.

Here is the process I have tried: heated up both oil and water phase up to 75 ‘c. As soon as oil and water phase are combined, i put the mixture into ice bath (crash cooling), mixing with homogenizer.  

So should I try without the ice bath, but mix them in ambient temperature? Would it give the desired thickness? I am so confused now. The company I work is so small that I have no one to ask. 

Any insights? 

[MarkHkang]

Hello everyone, my name is Mark and I am new to cosmetic field, and to this forum. I work for a company that manufactures nail products in NJ. I have a deep interest in learning personal care products. So I am here to learn My personal goal is to be one of the best formulators. Thanks!