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Which of these is your question about, you have two ingredient lists?
1) Oenocarpus Bataua Fruit Oil, Moringa Oleifera Seed Oil, Glycerin (Vegetable Derived), Isoamyl Cocoate, Phenoxyethanol (and) Caprylyl Glycol, Tocopherol, Fragrance/Parfum, Eugenol, Limonene, Linalool.
2) Prunus Amygdalus Dulcis (Sweet Almond) Oil | Isoamyl Cocoate | Copaifera Officinalis (Balsam Copaiba) Resin/Passiflora Edulis Seed Oil | Saccharomyces/Xylinum/Black Tea Ferment/Glycerin/Hydroxyethylcellulose | Octyldodecanol / Hydrogenated Coco-Glycerides / Helianthus Annuus (Sunflower) Seed Extract/Tocopheryl Acetate | Fragrance/Parfum, Benzyl Salicylate, Coumarin, Hexyl cinnamal, Limonene, Linalool | Titanium Dioxide, Mica, CI 77510.
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you can also get rid of one of these Polyquaterium-7 5% Polyquaterium 11 5%- why do you need two ings which are doing the same job?
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nicki121 said:I use Cellulose and Siligel in my powder Cleanser it does help with skin feel and creating a more stable thicker foam.????????
Thanks. Really, how cellulose helps and which cellulose? Siligel? Hmmm interesting!
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MarkBroussard said:The Xanthan Gum and Cellulose are in there to give it a bit of body/thickening when reconstituted in water so it is not water-thin when applied to your face. It may also give some body to the foam.
Thank you Mark, cellulose, do you think it might be HEC?
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Paprik said:Hi,
I think it’s just going to add slip into that formula once applied to the skin with water.Hi, but there is Sodium Lauroyl Glutamate, isn’t it slippery when wet?
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nicki121 said:They are probably including to form sort of a quick gel during cleansing. That is what I use a Gum for in my powder cleanser.????
Thanks, they might… Oh, you use powder cleanser too?! Which gum do you prefer for it? Is it really necessary? Thank you.
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Cranberrycreek1 said:Thank you Abdullah!
You’re not alone here i was wondering too and the owner of this blog too- have a look maybe, you’ll find something here
https://www.humblebeeandme.com/the-tale-of-the-curdling-body-wash/ -
Pharma said:Haven’t you noticed, the two LOI are identical
?Maybe to help with lather or it comes from a pre-mix?If you switch out talc with zeolith, cellulose with cellulase, and maltodextrin with amylase, then you could use it also for washing your clothes too
.Yes, when I posted it here I’ve noticed that it is the same loi
but it is what it is… see for yourself
https://www.cultbeauty.co.uk/dr-barbara-sturm-enzyme-cleanser.html
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https://www.lookfantastic.com/babor-cleansing-cp-enzyme-cleanser-75g/11368074.htmlIt is a powder …
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Anca_Formulator said:I LOVE this emulsifier. the skin feel is totally unique, light but unctuous and velvety powder dry down.
O-o! You already have it! Where did you get it from? Do you need to hydrate it?
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@Perry , @PhilGeis Thank you.
So it will be absolutely useless in shampoo and conditioner bars, as they stored open, right? -
@MarkBroussard well, then it can be lipossomed then, no?
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Perry said:@Kot - yes BTMS is a cationic surfactant so it helps with antistatic properties too. It works the same way as CTAC and BTC
Thanks again .
Perry , you’ve said that too many cationics in the formula and they compete with each other, lowering the performance of the conditioner- do you mean too many different or quantity?
Also- if they’re competing with each other- why all of them BTMS and CTAC and polyquats are in the formulas?
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MarkBroussard said:The problem you are having is that the solubility of Caffeine is 2.17 g/ 100 ml water. You’ll never get 5% Caffeine into an aqeous solution, the maximum would be 2.17% or actually a bit less than that.
If you look at The Ordinary formula you will see that they are using Caffeine complexed with Maltodextrin to increase the solubility which is how they get 5% Caffeine in the product.
Thank you Mark!
But what about normal caffeine without Maltodextrin, at say 1 %, no need to lover the PH then? -
@Perry Yep! Thought so thank you Perry for confirming my thoughts! Seen Cyclomethicone in shampoo and conditioner bars formulas, this made me think that it will evaporate.
Behentrimonium Chloride, but what if they use BTMS -50 / 25 or anything else? Does BTMS have antistatic properties too?
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Also very interested in this. But i think 5% of Caffeine is wa-a-ay too much!
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brumanwong said:ggpetrov said:What was the temperature of the water when you tried to dissolve the Caffeine?
it was 70-80 degrees Celcius , close to boiling temperature
And the PH?
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Reasonable? Do you buy the peptides for your formulations?
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This? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4300604/
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ok, but what about the circulation- anti dark circles and puffiness?
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Are you familiar with https://www.swiftcraftymonkey.blog/creating-a-shampoo-bar-from-scratch-conditioners-silicones/ ? If you really want to learn haw to make shampoo bars and not only that would be the place to go.
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Well, i think i could try to answer with just two letter….for now -PH
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With all respect, No, it is not a shampoo bar, i am sorry….
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Hi Mike, as Oz girl already said- the shampoo bar is very different product. And the soap bars are actually cannot be used as a shampoo bars. The soap is a soap, no matter what you call it, and it is fa-a-ar away, or rather has nothing similar to a shampoo bars. Hence the formulations are different and the amount of oils will be different. As for “We used all oils, and zero synthetics.”- and what did you use to saponify your pure oils with?????
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“for example, I think the oil phase can facilitate the removal of waterproof makeup, and the water phase can facilitate the removal of water soluble residues and turn the product less heavy” And why the normal emulsion cannot do the same?