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@Bill_Toge thanks.  I was debating on wether or not it was worth buying, but then I was looking at some pricey face oils and saw that the too ingredients were CCT and grapeseed oil. Don’t want to use grapeseed since it goes rancid quick. 

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@tanelise
thanks very much! I don’t have acne prone skin, would consider it normal. I will definately look into using this oil. 

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@tanelise l have heard of this oil. I considered it but I also heard it could cause breakout. Hiw do you use it? Straight up or diluted?

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@Belassi Its interesting that you note shea (i think thats what you are refering to) as being comedogenic. I have read that it is very low on the comedogenic scale and tends not to cause breakouts. I have used it on my face for a while with no negative effects. 

I didn’t know that oils couldn’t help lighten, thanks for info. 

What benefit does omega-3 do for facial skin? 

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@MarkBroussard
Thanks for the reply! I thought this LOI was kinda in a crazy order, but I wasn’t quite sure. I dont know how companies can get away with this for years and years. oh well I guess I will try formulating with various things to see how close I can get to the final product even without a good ingredents list

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found the ingredients here  http://www.ulta.com/diamax-treatment?productId=xlsImpprod4450423

Alcohol Denat., Water, Niacinamide, PEG/PPG-20/23 Dimethicone, Caffeine, Acrylates/C10-30 Alkyl Acrylate Crosspolymer, Fragrance, Panthenol, Triethanolamine, Mentha Piperita (Peppermint) Oil, Menthol, Mentha Arvensis Leaf Oil.

considering that you are supposed tp shake it into the root i wonder if its just making your roots stand up more with the  Acrylates/C10-30 Alkyl Acrylate Crosspolymer  so it appears fuller… my guess

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thanks!

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@DRBOB@VERDIENT.BIZ
Cat guar is a good suggestion. That is something i can get a hold of. I’m kinda stuck on how to use if though to be honest. what do you have to bring the pH down to to make it usable? do I need to bring the pH down before or after the emulsion? also how much would you reccomend to start with for a rinse off conditioner, .3%?

@Belassi
yes i have recongized that most of it is just fluff. but many users have claimed it is very detangling. so I assumed the gum was important. I’m not stuck on that one, just a good substitute that could provide detangling.

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I like liquid germall plus since its easy to work with. 

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gotcha!

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@DRBOB@VERDIENT.BIZ  thanks! are you saying that I should aim to take the pH down to 4 instead of 5? or should I try to keep it at like 6?

I only have SLES so I cant make the swap to ALES

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So this is my projected formula. please advise. any suggestion or does this look like a goos starting place?

SCI powder 5%
Coco betain 5%
SLES 10%
Cat guar .5%
citric acid- until pH is 4-5

Sodium Laureth Sulfate (and) Glycol Distearate (and) Cocamide MEA (and) Laureth-10 1% (premixed)

Crothix- until desired thickness achieved

Peg 12 dimethicone- 2%
liquid germall plus .5%
water q.s

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@Perry THANKS! makes so much sense to me now

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I like silicones because they give me shine and helo with detangling. dimethicone is a good choice i agree. like amodimethicone even better.

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@chemicalmatt I’m using dimethicone 350 since thats all that I had. I think you have a good point about just using more amodimethicone. you think increasing to 2%  would be enough? 

I had a feeling to drop the cyclomethicone as well. seemed a bit unneccessary when I review the formula. good point about the CETAC. thanks!

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@Perry I saw that about CETAC. mine is at a concentration of 30% active ingredients. Does that mean I can only use .25%  of CETAC 30% active? Or does that mean I can have a total of .25% active CETAC in my leave in as a whole?

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its d5. I didn’t know there were any major restrictions on its use. I’ll check it out

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I was also thinking I could just drop the cyclomethicone and dimethicone and keep amodimethicone at the same usage. 

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Thanks! I really appreciate the feed back! I made a shampoo that was irritating my scalp a bit. but when I diluted it i didn’t have the problem. I think the concentration of cleansers was the big problem.

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I support the Lamesoft. tried it at 1% and it worked great in a shampoo for dry hair!

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of course always preservative! I typically use liquid germall plus. probably also need soem citric acid for cat guar. thanks for help and suggestions!

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ok so would SLES 10% (60% concentration) coco betaine 5% and SCI powder 5% be a good amount of surfactant for a shampoo? The rest being water, cat guar, gycol diserate and thickener.

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Is there any difference between using water solublt shea butter and peg-75 lanolin in this formula or a shampoo formula? I was thinking about getting peg 74 lanolin, but have never used it before in a forumla.

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This just looks like a basic shampoo that only uses cocoamidopropyl betain as the cleanser. a super mild and barely cleansing on at that. I would check 
the blog swiftycraftymonkey for basic shampoo formulas and just use cocoamidopropyl betain as the surfactant.

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@MarkBroussard
I have been making emulsified sugar scrubs and didnt realize that you could put powdered surfactant in them. are there certain ones that are reccommended for use? I have SCI powder at home. You think that could work at 5%?