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@ngarayeva001 what does aloe have to do with  polymer emilsifiers?  

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ngarayeva001 said:

Sorry, it looks like a lotion to me. Ok, if it’s a hair conditioner, you can keep EOs, 5% is a good amount of dimethicone (you can add  next time when you have it), you still should reduce amount of vitamin e. Now the crucial part (and why I thought it’s a lotion) - you need a good amount of cetearyl alcohol. I would say 5%. You can keep Cetyl as you have it at 3%, and the most important, don’t use more than 0.5% of oils. Grab any commercial product in a store and you will notice that oils are listed somewhere near preservative (means very low % is used). Oils in hair conditioner are for claims only. Be careful when you melt your oilphase, heat it slowly.

Ok so the BTM 50 CETYL and cetearyl for oil phase?  I made it nd i turned out pretty good cojld have been better for the detangling and slip.  I have dry hair thays why i though the oils would be good because they do work  VERY Well when i coat ends of hair before wahing.  But i will deff try that,  what effect will adding the cetearyl have on  final formula? I did reduce the vit E to when i made the last batch.  Thank you and the cyclomethicone is better than dimethicone for hair?  If so why?  I will order some if worth it.  

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Dtdang said:

This idea of cocoa butter + orange essential oil was from
@ngarayeva001
i made lotion with cocoa + orange essential oil
it smells great! I love it

I have a bit of experience with essential oils and yes they are fabulouse for smell and other actives.. ..  They are used in 80% cosmetics for smell. 

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Yes this is the right post up top is the conditioner post i was going  to try for ALL natural but changed my mind

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What do you think for a Hair Conditioner? 

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The dimethicone is recomended at a 1-5 but have heard everywhere funtions better at a 6% for hair even the manufcturer usage  recomendations . 

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Idk how this got into this post i meant to post in hair conditioner post.  So nothing  will be used on my face and meant 0.5 on tje germal plus

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So i decided to try this tell me what you think please. 

H20 59.9%
Glycerin 8%
Aloe Juice 8%
Panthenol 1%
Coconut powder 1%

Cetyl Alcohol 3%
BTMS 5%
Cocnut oil 2%
Vitam E oil 2%
Castor Oil 2%
Avocado Oil 2%

Dimethicone 5%
Germall plus 0.05%
Jupiner E/O
Lavender E/O

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J4ckbird said:

I am trying to make an all-natural conditioning bar. Can you suggest any natural ingredients that may give a similar performance?

@J4ckbird The only thing i can think of for that would be maybe something like aloe juice/powder 2 ,  honey, h20, cocnout milk/powder and some oils but for an emulsifer i would know where to to lead to you that “All Natural” you can always use a thickner like xantham gum but make sure you use a preservative and a good one as these ingredients are hard to preserve if used in there food form like the milks,  aloe juices,  etc and there are NO “Natural ” reservatives sucb as vit E etc.  This could  be  something you made a small batch of and kept refrigerated and used within 2 weeks. Would deff need to be a personal short shelf life formula.  Conditioner is pretty much lotion with a bit of a surfactant.  If your referring  to “natural” paraban and sulfate free now thats possible. 

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ngarayeva001 said:

I am actually using Dimethicone 1000 for hair conditioners. Works fine. Where are you located? I know a place that sells 1000 and cyclomethicone rather cheap in the UK (I have to order 12 from the US, and it’s much more expensive for me). By the way cylcomethicone is also great for hair. I usually mix them.

I am in florida.. U. S

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I was just letting you know who had it that i could think of off top of  my head. ..

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Bulk suplments has folic acid

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Folic acid or ferulic acid?  I have Ferulic Acid

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ngarayeva001 said:

By the way talking about silicones, makingcosmetics sells a product called wrinkeblurr. It’s dimethicone crosspolymer and silica. Great for primers and moisturiser for “oily skin” (absorbs sebum).
Lotioncrafter sells the same dimethicone separately as a paste (if you don’t want silica’s absorbing effect). Consider trying it, if you can order from these suppliers.
Also, I don’t know if you know this source already, but check out INCI decoder. You can type in an INCI, it will give you a description of what it does in products, as well as a list of commercial products where it is used. Then you click on a product and it shows detailed LOI with a description of what every individual ingredient does. It’s an amazing source for learning: https://incidecoder.com/search?query=dimethicone

I also order from  them and the INCI is right in the description section.  I have been thinking About ordering the wrinkle blur but i like making  and mixing my own everything.  The only Dimeth i have been able to find available is the 12 and 500 so i have the 500 and am wondering should i even purchase the 12? Any thoughts ?? 

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Im assuming for the skin as in creams,  lotions,  serums,  etc?  I actually have all of these and sounds  really great I will have to play around with these ingredients.  The creatine i haven’t really heard much about in formulating. 

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Perfect I have been using the 500 but it gets expensive.  I have also used it with  my other creams,  etc for my face so i will order the 12 and it  should help cut cost as i can use the 500 for hair and 12 for skin..  Thank you so much

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ngarayeva001 said:

LAA oxideses in water in just several weeks. This formula would be good if it had more Ethyl Ascorbic Acid and no LAA.

I make. Vitamjn C serum with E and Ferulic acid and i use L Ascorbic and it works just fine  and is stable. I have NEVER had a problem with oxidation.  I have had my serum for up to 2 months and its been awesome.  L Ascorbic is pure vitamin C.  The derivative would have to be the ethyl ascorbic. The ethyl ks more stable on its own,  however yoj can stabalize L-Ascorbic very easily and NO good vitamin  C will stay good for years.  Its meant to be used up before ir oxidizes thats why you dont see it being  sold in huge bottles. Also are you keeping  in dark bottle and out of light and not constantly exposing to air?  Maybe remove one or more of the other derivatives.  

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I have the air brush paint mixer i didnt know thats what it was called though lol i have had it for awhile and never used it for anything so this is fantastic TY

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@ngarayeva001.. Thanks 🙂

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Perry said:

@J4ckbird - Similar performance to what?

The reality is that conditioners aren’t natural so there is nothing in nature that will give similar performance. If you’re not going to use the best available ingredients (synthetic conditioning agents) you can’t expect the same performance.

The best you can try is Coconut oil or Palm oil or something that these non-natural conditioning agents are made from. It won’t work as well but it might work well enough.

What are some good conditioning agents you would recommend?  Also i made a body wash with castile soap because my SLSL HAD NOT came in yet and it turned out wonderful only it left the skin feeling really to clean and not moisturized and i used jojoba,  coconut  oil and some other ingredients i would have to pull up my formula sheet but just out of curiosity if i wanted to make fast non emulsive body wash with Castile soap do you have any recommendations? 

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Jdawgswife76 said:

@ngarayeva001 the silk smells peptides smell bad or just in the conditioner?  Im thinking of the powder and conditioner would be the fist place i would look to put them but not if they stink. 

Would the powder smell the same way you  think?  The powder has great benefits for the skin and is great in creams,  powders,  foundations,  etc but i have never noticed a smell of any kind from the powder i have. 

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Everyone has been great this is why i love being apart of this discussion group.  Everyone is wonderful and helpful and I have learned alot from being a part of this

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Also so would i be able to add HA to one of my previously completed products (creams)  and it would hydrate it? 

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Do you have a place you can direct me for the ovethead stirrer for the $80? I am currently just making small test batches but i am deff seriouse about this I have invested alot in materials,  equipment , packaging,  ingredients,  etc and I just LOVE doing it.  I am still learning thougj but i think there is always something to be learned in this industry,  hobby,  etc

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Also with the silk i have the powder and not the peptides.  Is that what has the bad smell?  The peptide?