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OH my Goodness Perry i loved it.Thanks a lot dear 🙂

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Thanks all 

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Hello everyone/ 
What preservative is best for a peel mask made of rice powder? 

Many thanks 

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Hello everyone/Is it possible to combine mandelic acid and rice powder, papain and bromelain in a face scrub for dry skins ; I want to create a hybrid face scrub that combines physical and chemical exf; the purpose of the scrub would be to remove dead skin; give glow to the face and moisturise it. 
Thanks 

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Im using vaseline every night now since you guys recommended it but i was searching for some scientific evidence as to whether PJ is safe for the face.I once to person working in a lab doing microbilogical testing and other testing and they said PJ has been tested and it is safe for the face. Does anyone have any information in this regard? 
Thanks 

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@Graillotion i didnt know.But the same cant be said if the product is organic; we need certification to prove it right? We cant just print a label and stick it on the bottle? lol

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@PhilGeis im not sure i get your point

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@Graillotion  @Paprik  @Perry By the way today is day 2 of me slugging and im loving PJ so far. My cheeks feel less dry.Thanks a lot guys for the suggestion. By the way do guys also have some suggestions for dark circles. Maybe some homemade remedy for that? :smiley:

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What?? @Graillotion nah i cant misrepresent people by telling people things that are not true!! I thought it was like a certification like for the Halal certification which we pay for or Cosmos certification. cus fr these you cant just print lol.. 

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Hello @PhilGeis are you saying that Caprylhydroxamic Acid can inhibit fungi? If yes; why do brands start boasting that they are using quality ingredients? This is so bogus and unethical. 

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@Perry thanks a lot.So are you saying all ingredients play a role in a cosmetic formulation? Ok what about plant extracts, what about parebens, SLS, phtalate? 
Also can we say that a good formula is a good combination between functional ingredients and aesthetic modifiers? Also when this brand Bioelement said that we only use active ingredients, now from what i understand this cant be true cus they need aesthetic modifiers right? 
Are emulsifiers, emollients, preservatives consideres aesthetic modifiers? 

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Exactly @Perry.So basicallt this means that safe cant be achieved only if you put for instance preservatives? 
Are there preservative for different formula?  can i use the same preservative of a moisturizer in a face scrub? 
Is Caprylhydroxamic Acid considered a good preservative? 

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@Graillotion Your tone of voice cracked me up!!! I dont intend to use EO on my products at all as i want no one to complain that my product caused allergy to them.Oh thats a great idea you gave here; i didnt know we could have a EO Free badge? How do you apply for the badge and how much does it cost? 

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Im little confused here @Perry; Based on the countless articles i read filler ingredients are ingredients that are not active ingredients and active/functionla ingredients are ingredients that are targeting a specific issue/For instance i have acne well the functional ingredient i might use is salicylic acid; if i have dry skin the active/functional ingredient i might use is HA; if i have oily skin the functional ingredient i might use is fuller earth clay for instance to absorb the excess oil. All this i understand now/So what are filler ingredients then? Is it paraben; dyes; fragrances; water; alcohol; is there a list of filler ingredients i can have a look at? 

Also are emulsifier considered filler ingredient or aesthetic modifierss? Are preservatives considered fillers? Are plant extracts considered fillers? What are claim ingredients? and are you saying clails ingredients deliver so result? 

I was reading this article on Chemist Corner and i love it!!!!
https://chemistscorner.com/what-are-claims-ingredients/#:~:text=There%20are%20some%20ingredients%20that,look%20better%2C%20and%20remain%20stable.
So basically there are 3 categories of ingredients @Perry
the active/functionla ingredients like hyalurocni acid; coenzyme Q 10, algae; etc/ 
Then comes aesthetic midifiers ( ingredients that give texture for instance) then there is the Marketing ingredient also known as fairy dust ingredients or claim ingredientsor story ingredients. So now i understand better Perry. When you used to tell me choose an ingredient for your story you meant in that case a story ingredient. 
The article mentions advanced technology ingredients; can you please explain what are these? ( they are also claims ingredients)

Thanks a lot Perry 🙂

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@Perry i was reading this article about filler ingredients used in the formulation of skincare products.
The founder of the brand is saying that when there is a high cocnentration of active ingredients you dont need to use a lot of the product because its full of actives/functionla ingredients.
Also the foudner says that A formula is comprised of several different active and key ingredients from nature and science – and must all work together to achieve the goal. By ssaying key ingredients do they mean filler ingredients such as glycerin;

https://www.bioelements.com/blogs/blog/filler-ingredients-skin-care

Also the founder says: 
The high quality and concentration of our ingredients means we don’t need fillers to make up the difference.
So does this mean they have filler-free formula? Is it possible? Based on what i read and what you said filler ingredients do play a role be it in the texture of the products or in how they deliver the functionla ingredients to the skin etc.So how can the founder say we dont need fillers? Kindly have a look at the link below of the brand Bioelements and see the moistuirzer ingredients/It has fillers; so why is the founder saying the brand  doesnt have fillers? 
https://www.lovelyskin.com/o/bioelements-really-rich-moisture

Also their cleanser has filler ingredients as per below; so i dont understand why the founder says it doesnt have fillers? 
https://www.bioelements.com/collections/cleansers/products/moisture-positive-cleanser

Thank you 

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Hi @Perry, you said you would put a preservative in a waterless formula.
 Yes, I would but some might advise you don’t have to. No water = not much microbial growth. On the other hand, if water gets in the product you could have microbial growth. That’s why I would add a preservative even to a waterless formula.
So waterless doesnt necessarily mean its no longer a breeding ground for bacteria right? 
And is it possible to replace water altogether with hydrosol or fruit juice in the formulation of skincre products? 
Thanks 

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Thanks a kit @PhilGeis; 
So you are saying that what they call CLEAN is not necessarily safe because they put a s,all amount of preservative; So on one hand the product might be clean but on the other hand the product is not safe;So the conclusion is that if its not safe its def not clean!! lol

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Hello everyone.
Are  essential oils to be avoided in the formulation of skincare products? I see lots of facial cleansers with essential oils and always wondered if this is permissible to do from a standpoint of a consumer? I know they can be bad for people with sensitive skin? For instance can carott seed essential oil, lavender; frankincense; sandalwood oil be used for dry skin? 
Also can tea tree oil be used in an oil cleanser as it has cleansing properties?
Thanks 

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Hello @PhilGeis , im not sure I udnerstand your joke lol. You said the gpt chatbot said that clean is what is “considered” safe and env fiendly/But isnt it the definition somehow? I know there is no consensus but i just want to understand why you highlighted the word “considered” please

Could you tell me in your own words what do you understand by CLEAN beauty?

Thanks dear 🙂

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@CedarWind108 thanks for your recommendation. I always thought that i could find an “active”/”functional” ingredient that would help me wiht my dry skin but so far nothing. I even tried a HA face cream and didint feel all the hype!!!maybe the concentration of HA was low.Also i read that for HA to be efficient we need to mix it with Polyglumatic acid which holds water up to 4 times more than HA.  
Has anyone ever bought a product with PA?

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@Paprik though my skin is dry putting petroleum jelly will make it shiny and i personally dont like that effect and also i feel the PJ will remain on the surface of the skin for many hours which i dont find comfortable.

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So what i learned today is that excipients can also be functional ingredients.Again when i read an article i found tht excipients only carry “functional”ingredients and allow them to penetrate the skin but based on what you said excipients like PROPANEDIOL, PROPYLENE GLYCOL, are actually benfitial to the skin so they are not bulking up the formula.
Can i say they complement the “functional” ingredients and help them play their role better and penetrate the skin better? Would that be a good way to say it? 

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@jemolian i concur with you 100%.I was juts asking what is clean beauty because like i said i read a lot of articles everyday and a lot of brands claim they are clean but when you look closely at their products you can sense they are far from that.In regards to my brand i dont intend to use the word CLEAN whatsoever.im trying to move away from what everyone is saying. Clean has become a trendy word. 

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I know and i do tend to burry my face on the pillow when i sleep so its a recipe for a hot mess! :smiley:

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@Graillotion thanks dear/Can i use pure vaseline on my face?