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Thank you for your answer, yes, I did not express my question correctly. I wanted to say which is better, which is less irritating for our body.

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With this recipe and with only 0.5% salt, the viscosity is very good when, instead of sodium lauroyl sarcosinate, I put sodium cocoyl glutamate there, but I did not have a good result in the viscosity with salt. I have in my possession the PEG-200 Hydrogenated Glyceryl Palmate (and) PEG-7 Glyceryl Cocoate there I see some good results and the best results but with ph 6.5 I have the Carbopol® Aqua SF-1 polymer

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Thank you very much to everyone, yes at 5 I also said simply the ingredient Acrylates/C10-30 Alkyl Acrylate Crosspolymer will the formula be stable at 5 because we neutralize it 6.5 to 7 ph and we can with citric acid nabto go to 5 it will simply disappear its transparent right? and not the viscosity? I usually use Phenoxyethanol, Ethylhexylglycerin to be invited to a large ph range

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Thank you very much to everyone who answered my question. Now I’m waiting for an essential oil of red pepper capsaicin with menthol crystals and essential oils of peppermint and black pine + capsaicin I think I’ll be ok?

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Abdullah said:

Remove cationic surfactant from Shampoo and it will be 

I have removed these. But with Polyquaternium I have an issue with post-cationic polymers in general

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In my formula I use 0.2% Disodium EDTA

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chemicalmatt said:

For making soaps with alkali metal hydroxides you do not need deionized water. That RO filter will be plenty adequate for making cleansing products too, just add more chelating agent to your formulas.

Thank you very much. I would like to ask. I live in Greece in Piraeus and the water in my house is not hard at all and I simply have a filter of medicinal activated carbon. I believe this will also do my job or is the RO filter better?

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Fekher said:

@fotis83 actually there are a lot of qualities of SLES then for sure you can find safe one. 

This is zetesol 270/n (70% Active)

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Fekher said:

@fotis83 I guess SLES because price / quality  compromise. 

Thank you very much. It’s just for personal use and I’ve been especially scared of SLES, which seems to be contaminated with 1,4 dioxane

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Thank you for your reply

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Perry said:

Where did you get the idea that PEGs were not safe?

From many cosmetic companies and of course from the mass media.

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Perry said:

No they don’t cause cancer.
Yes they are safe.

You can find reliable safety data here 
https://cir-safety.org/ingredients

Thank you very much Mr. Perry. Why am I asking? I have the Crothix™ Liquid thickener and it is Peg. And another one without peg that I had that did not have a good performance is this ANTIL® Soft SC MB (Sorbitan Sesquicaprylate) I had to spend quite a bit on crothix and it is much more expensive

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Abdullah said:

You can make good shampoo with Sodium Lauroyl Methyl Isethionate + CAPB+ EDTA. 
You don’t need anything else. 

Thank you very much. I have tried this and it is indeed very good and leaves a beautiful softening sensation without having softening agents

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Abdullah said:

All of them dissolve perfume. 

I would use non of them in body product because they make skin dry. 

Lauryl increase viscosity, others reduce viscosity. 

Thank you very much for your reply. With an amphoteric surfactant together with anionic surfactants it will be better without nonionic surfactants we will be included οκ

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And what can we put in place of peg-free personal care detergents?

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Quimico said:

For daily use shampoo you need
1. Anionic Surfactant (SLES)
2. Amphoteric surfactant (foam booster, mildness, anti irritating)
3. Amine CC DEA
4. GLUCOSIDE
5. A humectant ..

Thank you!

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Abdullah said:

You need sufficient surfactant and softening agent for any type of hair.

Thank you!

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I have sodium coco sulfate, sodium lauryl sulfoacetate, cocamidopropyl betaine

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Hi. Me in my own typical recipe Shower gels Is

Water

EDTA 0.2%

Sles 33.3 %

Sodium lauroyl sarcosinate 10% cocamidopropyl betaine 6.6%

Disodium cocoamphodiacetate 5%

Olive Oil PEG-7 Esters 1%

Fragrance 0.5%

phenoxyethanol and ethylhexylglycerin 1% pH 5.5

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To not be so aggressive. For example, I would add sodium cocoyl glutamate or sodium lauroyl sarcosinate as a secondary anionic surfactant.

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Thank you very much, my friend, be well. Now I made it with color and it looks very nice and very good performance.

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Thank you very much for you. Let me tell you that I have a total of 15% active surfactants

Phase A:

Water

Disodium EDTA - 0.2%

polyquaternium 7- 2%

Phase B:

sodium laureth sulfate 8% Active,

sodium lauroyl sarcosinate 2% Active sodium cocoyl glutamate 2% Active, disodium cocoamphodiacetate 2% Active, cocamidopropyl betaine 1% Active.

Phase C:

Propylene glycol 2%

Fragrance 0.5%

Phenoxyethanol and Ethylhexylglycerin 1%

Sodium chloride 0.5 - 2%

In my sodium chloride, it got away, a little over 2%, and became cloudy. I added color to make it look nice, but I wanted it to be transparent.

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The ph when I do it at 27% is close to 9 To raise the ph I will add sodium hydroxide to bring it to 11 and if I want I can put citric acid to make it ph 4 to 5 and put sodium benzoate? It’s difficult when I do it at 27%, it takes patience and time, but after my preparations it’s much easier and faster when I want to make shampoo, I won’t wait long and it doesn’t need heat and I’ll be able to do it at room temperature.