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@Gunther i never get white powder

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@Mamun actually you can thick your liquid soap without any add you just try combined saponification with using both NaoH and KoH the more you use NaoH the more you thick your product and try to use saponification Calculator to do it right and to see in advance the effect of NaoH in your soap’s thickness.

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@Gunther for dissolving  Sulfonic acid it will be easier to add NaCl but few quantity cause much of Nacl will make your final product with low viscosity, and i see that for 1:3 dilution the concentration of Sulfonic acid is too high so it is normal to have very thcik product .
The neutralization with NaOh i prefer to diluate NaOh in water then i will add it to sulfonic acid that for me make operation easier. 
good luck friend.

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@Sheng it is clear that your product is not neutralized cause 0,4 % carbomer will need 0,6 % TEA so i suppose that your product has high acidity wich can be harmfull for skin. Neutralizing will also increase the viscosity of product .

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@ngarayeva001 impolite and liar is too much hhh.  for ceteareth 25 i never said it is the best conditioner for sure it is not , for ph meter i said we can use ph paper but ph meter  has more precision for sure. For diploma when you know what it does mean engineer cycle talk ” self learning” hhh i’am also self learning and evryday i make many experiences and researchments i’am sure that i’am making a lots of mistakes wich i try learning and improving my level from it .
  About that i think that i’am the smartest i’am sure that i’am brillant  but i never though that i’am smartest and who are you to judge me and seeing what i’am thinking you don’t know nothing about me.
Actually i belive that evryone has his competences,  intelligence and superoirity in some sides and weakness in some other sides. So for me evryone even child can be a source of learning .
If i think that i’am smartest i would not ask @Perry to join the group and ask for advices   theire are amaizing chemist as @Perry @Belassi @Gunther really respect for them and i’am really learning from them however someother  are just impolite and ill .

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@Perry  i think even if someone make mistake it must be corrected by polite answer not?

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appriciate your help @Gunther

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@ngarayeva001 @Microformulation actually i have engineer diplome so stupidity that thinking an engineer is stupid , then from many comments i saw even for others it is clear how much impolite you are always blaming and seeing yourself better and superior then others, so that is worst then stupidity .

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@Belassi Carbomer is just bubble hell??? what that means , actually for shampoo theire are a lot of Lol contains Carbomer and TEA . 
About ceteareth 25 me alsoo never seen in shampoo Lol, but engineer should be creative and creativity needs innovation and something never seen .However ceteareth 25 is no ionic tensioacatif like MEA , DEA , TEA so if we return to how we make shampoo is not strange to find non ionic tensioactif .
Also Hair wax prove that it can be conditioner hair i just tried washing my hair after making my hair wax and the resultat was amaizing cleaning and lovely smooth effect.

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@Gunther @belassi @Chemist77 @Perry i make some research and i find that salicylic acid can be a conditioner also so i will try some combinaisons wich contain salicylic acid , ceteareth 25 , carbomer , NaCl and basic ingredients of shampoo any suggests?

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@Belassi @Chemist77 @Perry @Gunther and others, What about using ceteareth 25 as a thickner and conditioner  for shampoo. i make some research about it and i will try but i wanna some advice before starting.

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You are welcome @sebina

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@ngarayeva001 my belive is in mosque not church and our belive must be effected always , then your way of discussing is not funny . for the book name  is written hhh “Nitrosamines”

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@Sebina actually i never use DEA in my products cause i see it as dangerous ingredient . About betaine i tried doing shampoo without it but product did not work for elactrostatic effect means you will not feel comfort with using only SLES ,all what i said  is about my own experience.

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@ngarayeva001 yes book is proof and reference however website is not that what i learnt in engineer cycle, i belive in that idea i write it with my argument then readers have mind and will decide. 

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@ngarayeva001  sure i will argue what you make is not a reference “website” evry one can write what he wants however this is page from book you can translate it to english and know that DEA is potentiel cancer cause with presence of nitric acid .

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@Belassi free from added Nacl meant.

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@Chirag actually even with concentrate LABSA you can not have good viscosity however adding more SLS can be solution with adding Nacl also.

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Actually DEA is unhealthy ingredient wich classed in cancerogen ingredients so never use it.

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I tried to make shampoo free of NaCl , i used Carbomer , SLS, CAPB and Salicylic Acid  . when Salicylic acid added the viscosity decrease too much  .
Actually the product has a good foam also the plus of Salicylic acid was clear with making smooth effect but the problem was viscosity so i think just i need to adjust ph to  have  a good viscosity so i did it with TEA but the bad surprise was even with neutralizing ph the viscosity stay too low.

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@Belassi very interesting what you said

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Yes @Gunther i made also a dish wash liquid with only SLS and neutralised Labsa and the quality is too near with product wich contains CAPB . appriciate your reaction 

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@Avirock actually i did the experience with Labsa 10%, NaOh 1,2 % without CDEA even with using different quntity of slat it dosen’t lead to good viscosity it stays too near to water viscosity even i see that with using perfume the bad smell of Labsa at that level 10% still exist and finally with that formula some collant effect found and it is bad thing.
So as conclusion making dish wash liquid with only LABSA and NaOh is according to my experience is very bad idea.
I did some correction for my formula by reducing LABSA % by diluating, adding SLS and CAPB so i obtained acceptable product with good foam, acceptable odor and not  very low viscosity.

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soo helpfull @Gunther  actually foam and viscosity are good however just  using it for meduim period dry hear and i am sure that high quantity of NaCl is one from important cause of that .
 Thanks @Belassi for your answer.

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@Chemist77 soo clear appriciate your help.