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Thanks a lot @Abdullah @Paprik @EVchem for your precious comments wich helped me to have better product by using ceteareth 25 and delating BTMS.
@Abdullah i’am using acrypol 996 as carbomer and I guess it has some tolerance with BTMS in low level because I made cream with both and it seems pretty stable. -
@natiyo123 as short answer the main difference in hlb value and even in the final texture try to Google it, it is easy to get more details.
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@Abdullah my colleague taked it from professional site, I guess it is not exactly the formulation.
It was BTMS 25
No I did not make version without GMS and carbomer
My plan is to change BTMS with ceteareth 25 I guess it will solve stability problem.
Carbomer add a lot for the product so I will try to keep it as much as possible ( If I work only with BTMS Wich has high hlb I guess the hlb of BTMS will be far from needed hlb=10 not?) and for sure with only BTMS I will not reach the good texture get it by using carbomer.
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@Paprik actually I know about hlb o/w, w/o emulsion even I know that anionic aren’t compatible with anionic just forgot that neutralised CARBOMER is anionic, however I don’t know scientific information that says kaolin will not be stable with w/o as you said.
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@Paprik preservative is methylchloroisothiazolinone and methylisothiazolinone. Why using w/o emulsion destabilizes my formula?
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@Paprik nice explanation however when I used only GMS with CARBOMER I have the same problem.(supposed their is no stability issue for no ionic with anionic not?)
@Perry what details you need to give better advice?
@Abdullah I fill the product both in room temperature and in higher.
Yes BTMS 25
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@Abdullah thanks a lot for your precious advice.
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@Abdullah mild is more general than less drying so I guess it is impossible to make free tear shampoo with only CAPB and SLES. About MPG it is for dissolving easier and faster xanthan gum then it is for reducing drying effect.
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@Paprik I supposed that MPG is know ???? and yes it is monopropylen glycol then is it compatible using pq7 in presence of xanthan gum?
@Abdullah Sure we have SLES however I will not use it for baby’s shampoo. (accessible “mild” T. A) -
@Abdullah @Paprik because listed ingredients are accessible however others not sure however what in put you can suggest for baby’s shampoo for the level
CABB 16%
Coco glucoside 4%
Xanthan gum 0,5%
MPG 4%
Perfume
Preservative
Water QspI will try this as start and depends on result may I will change the level of my T. A .
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@Perry i’am not searching for specific benefit I just want to know and learn the plus of every additif (in other way the reason of add) for the hair pomade
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@marimaster_3991 I guess no ionic emulsifier can do the job.
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@Paprik actually I talk about “drying the skin” wich superfztting agent you suggest?
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@Abdullah more cleaning and less drying (I guess butyl glycol can do both)
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Why @Abdullah?
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@Abdullah actually when the formulation contains pq10 without glycerin it was drying however adding glycerin decrease a lot that effect.
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What about adding some glycerin (or /and) butyl glycol to improve the quality of gel cleanser?
@Perry @ngarayeva001 @Abdullah @ketchito @Paprik -
Update using : water, CAPB, cocoglucoside, CDEA, PQ 10 I could reach acceptable viscosity but still lower then ordinary shampoo. Just for drying purpose I added 5 % (glycerin/MPG) then it gives better conditioning effect for hair and no drying effect however the bad surprise in such level foam decrease a lot.
So i’am thinking to make tests with different level of (glycerin/MPG) to decrease drying effect and preserve acceptable foam
Any interpretations, comments, suggestions ?@ketchito @Paprik @Abdullah @Perry @ngarayeva001
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You are welcome @Abdullah
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Thanks a lot @ketchito very helpful what you are telling.
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Corn strach @Abdullah
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@Abdullah maybe some low cost powder can be choice.
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@ketchito actually I tried the product evry thing is fine viscosity, foam, conditioning effect and. no tear. The system cocoglucoside, CAPB can’t not reach acceptable viscosity with slat, may be there are other good thickners but I find DEA coco amide soo effective for both foam and viscosity. For famous brands I found that i’am in the good way the main ingredients are CAPB, glucoside coside derived.