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@ketchito actually no I did not tried without peg40 but we decided to make it with sush transperancy. 

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@AyaKhatib  for creams @ngarayeva001 is better then me however I guess 1,5% CATC with adequate level of cetearaly alcohol can be stable but is it allowed sush level of CATC in leave in? 

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@ngarayeva001 nice return for you ????, actually i agree with you for points 1 and 3 about emulsifier the combination between (stearic acid, cetearyl alcohol, peg40(solubilizer)) can lead to stable emulsion with that formulation I already heat it and then make it in fridge the emulsion is pretty stable (neutralised Carbomer helps also  for better stability) 

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Thanks a lot @Abdullah 

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@AyaKhatib I see that your system is easy to thick with just adding slat so why using guar gum? 

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@ketchito actually the combination cetearaly alcohol with cetrimonium chloride can work as emulsifier and can lead to stable emulsion.
@AyaKhatib I don’t think that it is allowed the level of 3% cetrimonium chloride for leave in then I just see only cetearaly alcohol as texture agent. 

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@Abdullah I have in hand dimethicone 350 isn’t good for soaping? 

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@Paprik for sure I made it, actually almost comments are positive about it however I find it greasy then even with dimethicone it still litel bit soaping, the texture is amazing good viscosity and good spreadability. I tried dimethicone for soaping effect and IPM for greasy effect but for me still not satisfied and about humectant just I forgot I already used MPG.
@Abdullah about emulsifier there is no precise ingredient however it is combination (Ctearyl alcohol +Stearic acid +peg40) can do the job of emulsifier
@Paprik actually Stearic acid is a texture agent not to transform it to emulsifier @ketchito if  you want it will be  TEA with Stearic acid better but as I said Stearic acid is in my formulation just for giving texture. 

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@ketchito I tried to heat the product but unfortunately it did not work, may I will give try with xanthan gum????

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@Abdullah I found a lot of commercial shampoo a Johnson, Souplesse wich have main ingrédient CAPB then glucoside may be you got your result because the level of use of ingredients
@ketchito I tried your suggestion it is just perfect good transperancy, acceptable viscosity… So it is really very precious input thanks a lot. 
 Thanks @Perry @Paprik  @”DRBOB@VERDIENT.BIZ”   for your comments. 

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@Abdullah soo clear then what tension actif did you see not drying for free sulfate shampoo?
@Paprik thanks a lot 

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@”DRBOB@VERDIENT.BIZ” what carbopol do you suggest? 

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@ketchito I have I suspect that that the solubility of neutralised Carbomer decrease with the increasing of the concentration of coco glucoside something near to  the solubility of Carbomer in alcohol, I will try hot process thanks a lot for the interesting suggestions. 

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@Abdullah actually i’am developing it (shampoo without sulfate) so no I did not use continually and why you predict That it will be not cleaning properly and very drying?
@ketchito thanks for the input DEA  I want shampoo free from sulfate and I have in hand Sodium lauroyl sarcosinate, so may adding it with salt help for viscosity? 

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Make hair styling product which gives shining, restylible, high fixation, no flakes, smooth effect and thanks to Allah I did it. 

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@Paprik have you any explanation or suggestion? 

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@Paprik actually for economical reason and also accessibility i’am trying to keep my ingredients as much as possible , for the moment may I can interduce (sodium cocoamphoacetate, Sodium lauroyl sarcosinate), appriciate your input. 
@Abdullah the level of use of coco glucoside is 6%.(what ratio you recommend for xanthan and guar gums) 

 I see in humble and me that carrageenan is more recommended then xanthan gum for cleanser gel. 

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Thanks @Perry

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@RDchemist15 actually I know that almost Carbomer are electrolyte sensitive, just I want to see what it gives then I added slat to see if it will work for adding viscosity but unfortunately I did not (I have some success with system Carbomer,TEA, CAPB, N70  with adding slat it increase viscosity)
  I have as reflex xanthan gum, and cellulose so thanks for the input. 

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Nice add @chemicalmatt 

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@Pattsi hhh where are you from? I guess you are not Arabic  because they wrote يرفع من نشاط إعادة توليد الخلايا  wich is soo far from you understood and the product is made in PCR (China)
@ketchito thanks get it. 

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@tecnico3vinia as a reflection make the product in high purity Alcohol(wich has low density) determine the added volume wich is the volume of the solid then  Mesure the weight and that’s all. 

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@ketchito have you an explanation why in shampoo, carbomer can increase the viscosity however in hand gel the opposite?

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@Pharma I know that fatty (alcohol and acid) are not electrolyte my question is if we add them to neutralized carbomer will they give some resistance to carbomer versus electrolyte? 

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@HAL49 yes you have right about there are a lot of types of carbomer but my question about not resistant electrolyte ones did fatty (alcohol/acid) make them more resistant?
 
 About adding stabilizing effect for sure fatty alcohol and acids give more stability for cream product and even about texture not always true that they have bad effect with carbomer, actually the kaolin cream have lovely texture and for sure stearic acid made the emulsion more stable.