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This webinar might be helpful, with our formulator Marina - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UAdSPpDCUw (Eng interpretation is available).

If you are really interested in finding out more, we can set us a zoom meeting with our formulator, she can answer your questions.

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And about marketing effort. we do not pay anything for marketing. this is our decision not to spend on it. Otherwise the price for the Pine Extvolat would be higher. We do not want that.  The link to the article shared by @Perry is the example of the article whose author had contacted us  in the first place to learn more about it and write.

We pay only for participation in the In-Cosmetics Global exhibitions.

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PhilGeis said:

I’ve not found the email..  Can you send again?

Dear Phil, just sent again. Could you please check you received an email.

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Perry said:

@Physicist_Formulator - Thanks for the question & welcome to the forum.

For anyone curious, you can read the press release about Pine extvolat here.

If you’re new to formulating, the industry and have a science background the first thing you have to understand is that the marketing of raw materials is not science. It is simply the veneer of science because the subject is chemicals. But the information you hear (especially from suppliers) should not be considered wholly reliable. Any information they share with you is in support of their goal to convince you to incorporate their ingredient into a formula. It’s marketing…not science.

Another thing - Extraordinary claims should require extraordinary proof.

It would be amazing indeed if you could create a water based formula without the need of a preservative. Every company in the industry would want this. 

In fact, if it actually worked, little companies wouldn’t be able to get their hands on the material because big companies would buy up all the inventory. The supplier would sign exclusive ingredient deals with the highest bidder. They really wouldn’t even need to spend much money on marketing.

The fact that this ingredient has been around for more than a couple years and it hasn’t taken over the cosmetic industry is all you really need to know about whether it is effective or not. It’s not.

But as @MarkBroussard suggests, feel free to experiment with it yourself. I predict you will be disappointed but you may learn something. Hopefully the lesson is, don’t trust everything that marketers tell you.

@Perry, 

hello Perry, thank you for your observation mentioned below:

“In fact, if it actually worked, little companies wouldn’t be able to get their hands on the material because big companies would buy up all the inventory. The supplier would sign exclusive ingredient deals with the highest bidder. They really wouldn’t even need to spend much money on marketing.”

Let me give you a bigger picture on this:

Unilever asked us to be a supplier of Pine Extvolat, but it didn’t work because:

1. of the required amount of produced raw material.

PineAqua (the company, manufacturer of Pine Extvolat) is not able to produce 300 tons of raw material per month - it was the requirement of Unilever. Pine Aqua  is a small company that has 1 drying camera which produces 15-20 tons of raw material per month. So physical capacity is not enough to meet this requirement.   

2. of the cost.

The company considered Pine Extvolat primarily as an equal water replacement. And in that case as a water substitute it is not relevant. Because water costs almost nothing while 1 ton of Pine Extvolat is high. So for the big companies which are seeking to use the less cheap ingredients the better, the option to use Pine Extvolat as a main ingredient is not beneficial. 

3. of the different production processes.

A big company has a strict, tried and conservative formulation process, and the parts of the formula are strict as well: water phase, oil phase, emulsifier, active ingredients and preservative. In order to test and implement a different process which will include only the water phase (which can be replaced fully or partially with Pine Extvolat), oil phase, emulsifier and active will take months or even years to test and redo all the production process. 

That’s why Pine Extvolat is not interesting to the big companies. 

And it was the decision of the CEO to focus on the little companies which require less volume of raw material, have high demand on sustainability and can be more flexible with testing new ingredients.

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Stanley said:

Whoa!  Why should we do our own testing on YOUR product to prove YOUR own claims?  Is this product supposed to be used in the cosmetic industry?

@Microformulation…Why should anybody feel comfortable with a product where the representatives do want to share any information on a forum of skilled formulators and scientists?

Dear Stanley, I have not argued anywhere that someone should test our sample. This is your statement. To answer your second question - yes, it is a raw material for natural cosmetic products.

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PhilGeis said:

This is not my claim - it is yours.  Please do not send unsolicited samp,es.

My apologies. You sent a request from the mail, which has the domain aol.com. I thought it was your company’s domain. I was wrong. We received a request for a sample from an email with the same domain. Therefore, I thought that it was an employee of your company who requested a sample, and therefore I offered it to you to test. Once again, I apologize to you. No sample has been sent to your name.

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PhilGeis said:

Why not share the link here?

Also, a sample of our raw materials has been sent to your company in the name of Ruth. You can do your own tests.

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PhilGeis said:

Why not share the link here?

I have received your request, my colleague will contact you shortly.

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PhilGeis said:

Please share the data. 

Could you please make a request for this mailbox - info@extvolat.com

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PhilGeis said:

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Physicist_Formulator

Dear Physicist_Formulator, if you have any questions about our raw materials (Pine Extvolat), then you should also ask us to get more complete information. How do you think))? We will be happy to answer all your questions so that you have a more complete picture of Pine Extvolat.

There are no relevant data on  your website.  On wnat basis do you claim “self-preserving”?  Please be aware, this is a safety claim - consumers have been blinded and even died from infections resulting from contaminated cosmetics.
What aree your data?

Dear Physicist_Formulator, There are several groups of data:

1. Own cosmetic line, which was the first to show that it is possible. All necessary tests were done. conclusions on safety.

2. There are challenge tests for two products - milk and tonic.

3. Our clients have a successful track record of handling our raw materials.

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Physicist_Formulator said:

Hello,

First, this is my first post on this forum, do not hesitate to tell me if I didn’t respect the guidelines.

During my quest for innovative ingredients with high market value, I encountered Pine Extvolat, an ingredient supposed to replace water in cosmetic formulations. This ingredient seems to be similar to any hydrosol, but despite being a plant-based extract, its manufacturers claims that it is a self preserving ingredient.

Furthermore, they also claim that this product is able to replace the preservative system, with no other requirements (so no use of hurdles or other means to inhibit microbial activity). They clearly state that a challenge test is needed to launch any product including this ingredient on the market to determine the % of Extvolat to allow self-preservation, so I guess it is not just a scam.

Being a water-based product, I find it a bit perplexing.

Has any of you had the opportunity to work with it/to gather informations on this ingredient ?

Can we really believe the promises of such an ingredient, or is it more a marketing trick ?

Thank you in advance,

Physicist_Formulator

Dear Physicist_Formulator, if you have any questions about our raw materials (Pine Extvolat), then you should also ask us to get more complete information. How do you think))? We will be happy to answer all your questions so that you have a more complete picture of Pine Extvolat.