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  • em88

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    July 11, 2017 at 11:08 am in reply to: How to thicken and add slip to Anti dandruff shampoo

    You will loose the anti dandruff effect if you neutralize that much the salicylic acid.
    What is the base shampoo pH and viscosity? When you add salicylic acid, it should increase the viscosity of your base shampoo and of course, will lower the pH. 
    My suggestions are to add HEC up to 0.5% and change cocamide DEA with TEA since TEA has a higher pH. 
    I would not recommend increasing the pH that much, but you can keep adding TEA and pay a lot of attention to the viscosity since it will drop rapidly. 
    After that add NaCl (try to do the salt curve). 

  • em88

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    July 10, 2017 at 4:34 pm in reply to: proven hair growth formula

    @Doreen81 No worries mate 

  • em88

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    July 10, 2017 at 4:33 pm in reply to: How to thicken and add slip to Anti dandruff shampoo

    What pH are you looking for? Cocamide DEA should already increase the pH and you should not need NaOH.  You don’t have to get a pH 7. 
    Most likely by adding NaOH you decrease the viscosity a lot and adding NaCl would not resolve the issue even over 3%.
    My suggestion is to remove NaOH.
    I did the same shampoo and the result was pH 3.8-4 and viscosity 2000-5000 cP. 

  • em88

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    July 10, 2017 at 7:04 am in reply to: proven hair growth formula

    @Doreen81, as far as I know, minoxidil is used in lower concentration (up to 10%).

  • em88

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    July 6, 2017 at 9:29 am in reply to: Clarity issue HPMC, Decyl glucoside and/or Cocamide DEA

    Depending on the HPMC type you use, varies the temperature you need to heat the solution/water. Usually I go for a 70-80oC. If you have jelly things floating in the solution than it is undissolved HPMC

  • em88

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    June 29, 2017 at 6:39 am in reply to: Shampoo Formula

    Awesome! I just wanted to hear again this statement (I was kind of unsure)! Thanks!

  • em88

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    June 28, 2017 at 9:53 am in reply to: Stop loss conditioner design

    Did you add salicylic acid?

  • em88

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    June 28, 2017 at 9:47 am in reply to: proven hair growth formula

    minoxidil is a well established API so the efficiency should be over 25% easily, 60% sounds more right, while 90% seems too much 

  • em88

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    June 28, 2017 at 6:31 am in reply to: Shampoo Formula

    @Belassi, pH 4.5 isn’t too risky considering the scalp and hair pH is 4.5-5.5? Just asking, don’t get me wrong.
    As @DRBOB@VERDIENT.BIZ said, I’d add 0.1%-0.2% Na2 EDTA

  • em88

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    June 27, 2017 at 1:04 pm in reply to: pH adjusters for shampoo

    Thank you for your help.  I hope that everything will go well with this product. 

  • em88

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    June 26, 2017 at 8:02 am in reply to: pH adjusters for shampoo

    Greetings,
    Thank you for your input, very much appreciated. I do have paraben as preservatives.
    The current pH of the shampoo is 4.7-4.8 (with 2% TEA) and the viscosity is adjusted at 2000-5000 cP with 1.5% NaCl), while the inspiration shampoo has the pH 5 and the viscosity 1500 cP.

  • em88

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    June 23, 2017 at 9:15 am in reply to: pH adjusters for shampoo

    Hello,
    That is from inspiration product.
    The ingredients I am using are: 

    Sodium Laureth Sulfate, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Disodium Laureth Sulfosuccinate, Hydroxyethylcellulose, Butylated Hydroxyanisole, TEA, NaCl

    Thank you

  • em88

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    June 22, 2017 at 12:12 pm in reply to: pH adjusters for shampoo

    @DRBOB@VERDIENT.BIZ, I’m adding 1.5% NaCl and I’m getting the viscosity in the range of 2900-4000 cP.
    @Belassi, I’ll add the ingredients shortly.

    One more question, I was looking the the shampoo that I am trying to make a similar one, and I noticed they have add Sodium Citrate (it seems a lot actually since it is in the top of the ingredient’s list). What is the purpose of it? Adjusting pH or viscosity?
    Original shampoo ingredients

    Original shampoo ingredients:
    Purified water, ammonium lauryl sulfate, sodium laureth sulfate, sodium citrate, cocamidopropyl betaine, lauryl glucoside, PEG-150 pentaerythrityl tetrastearate, coco-glucoside, glyceryl oleate, aleurites moluccana seed oil, zinc PCA, panthenol, rheum palmatum extract, carthamus tinctorius (safflower) flower extract, camellia sinensis leaf extract, edetate disodium

    Thank you

  • em88

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    June 20, 2017 at 12:21 pm in reply to: Looking for a poor man’s mixer/blender (< $100)

    Is that $12 any good? Just curious.

  • em88

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    June 20, 2017 at 11:42 am in reply to: pH adjusters for shampoo

    Quick question:
    Are there limits in adding NaCl for viscosity adjuster? 
    From what I red NaCl at 3.5% will dry the skin and hair. 
    I did the salt curve and if I go over 2% (say 2.5%) the viscosity still increases. 

  • em88

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    June 15, 2017 at 11:11 am in reply to: Ketaconazole physical properties

    Ketoconaole forms clear shampoos, it is not soluble in water.

  • em88

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    June 9, 2017 at 8:14 am in reply to: pH adjusters for shampoo

    Thank you for your time Belassi.
    I red about salts and salt curve that increases the viscosity of shampoos. 
    I’m waiting for an other substance that I should add in the shampoo which has a pH 5-6 in 10% water solution and I’m guessing the viscosity should change. 
    It will be a “watching and learning” experience. 

  • em88

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    June 8, 2017 at 10:50 am in reply to: pH adjusters for shampoo

    Belassi Thank you.

  • em88

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    June 8, 2017 at 10:50 am in reply to: pH adjusters for shampoo

    That is not a problem at all. As stated in our previews conversation, I have only mention where the project is targeted not how it will be described for.
    There are lots of plant teas that are targeted for specific diseases, it doesn’t mean they are medicine drugs. Anyway, it would be better to focus more in the technical/chemical issues.

  • em88

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    June 7, 2017 at 1:32 pm in reply to: pH adjusters for shampoo

    Indeed we had a discussion regarding SA
    In this case the SA is at 3% which can be considered as cosmetic if specified as rinse of. The original shampoo product i’m trying to make the generic, has the pH 5.15
    The shampoo is going to be for psoriasis (and seborrhoeic, dermatitis)
    I am currently reading some patents about pH interval for shampoos and it seems that pH 4 is ok for the scalp. 

  • em88

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    June 7, 2017 at 12:48 pm in reply to: pH adjusters for shampoo

    So what should I do? Leave the pH 4? 

  • em88

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    June 7, 2017 at 10:42 am in reply to: pH adjusters for shampoo

    That is because of the API which is salicylic acid

  • em88

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    June 7, 2017 at 10:25 am in reply to: pH adjusters for shampoo

    Ok, I tried using NaOH 10% and I added to one test probe ~ 6 % (pH 3.9 -> 5.14)
    and to an other test probe ~2 % (pH 5.05 ->5.8). The second probe had already TEA which increased pH from 4 to 5.
    NaOH decreased the viscosity of the shampoo as well (it seemed that it decreased it a little less than TEA)
    Will have to make a few more tests to get a better comparison for TEA and NaOH and determine which one is more suitable since the two tests I did were not similar in the start. 
    Anyone else had similar experience with shampoos?

  • em88

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    June 7, 2017 at 8:54 am in reply to: pH adjusters for shampoo

    Thanks. Will try it! 

  • em88

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    June 7, 2017 at 8:41 am in reply to: pH adjusters for shampoo

    Thank you very much for your reply! 
    I’ve used TEA, and added about 2% to increase the pH from 4 to 5 and wired thing was that it decreased the viscosity of the shampoo a lot.
    I was thinking about NaOH as well, but at what molarity should the solution be? 

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