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BTW Vitamin F is supposed to give you essential PLUMPING! Ha!

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sorry guys!

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To be natural/organic you use fractionated coconut. Its accept around world

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@Biochemist go to a botanical ingredient online shop & use wiki for the INCI names as you must put the specific species on label

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@Dtdang Use emulsifier (cetearyl alchol/ ceteareth 20) then Stearic as the secondary one

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@bilalhazk sorry I didn’t realise you are making a cocoa cream . @EVchem he didn’t put the tea in caps. @Bilalkhaz you can ding can find xanthan gum in food stores, you only need a tiny amount to add to glycerin, just trying to help

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@Bilalhazk I agree with @Belassi why honey? tea? and you can probably find a butter that is cheaper, shea is cheaper here, but not sure over there.

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Have you put in  EDTA in there?

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Hey there,

You can get a product called Euxyl 9010 from one of the small businesses like lotioncrafter or making cosmetics and they will have it all made up in the correct ratios. Please so try it, I know that it works.

Kind Regards

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Now I read your comments & I totally agree @Doreen I certainly wasn’t trying to offend you! You know what because there are no emphasis or tone when your writing things can be taken out of context.?

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@Doreen I think you have got that message confused I was just trying to help out that’s all from my previous experience. 

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Hey @Sibech and @Microformulation. Yes of course we are debating and from other sides of the world. I am impressed that in the EU you cannot claim false advertising, I cannot believe it, I mean I don’t know what my husband is going to do? Since the internet is not regulated as well that has thrown another spanner in the works, but the advertisers play on words is remarkable and believable. I watch him do it! Also there is a difference between ‘natural’ and ‘organic’, natural does not command the same preference anymore. If it does not say organic then it is not worth it. I live in a very organic area. It is very interesting. My neighbor and I were going to do a cream together. She is the organic one, she is totally opposite to me and this @Sibech is where I got the women’s thoughts on buying cosmetics. She said to me, its all about the packaging and the bottle, doesn’t matter whether you put dung in there they will buy it. This is from a 30 something professional Chiropractor, I was really offended. I said, but don’t you want repeat customers? then we could not agree on a name. Maybe it was a generation thing, but now she if left with no chemist to formulate for her and as she said she tried it so many times. So maybe you don’t just put dung in there. I hope Australia does change and it sounds like the EU is going really forward with this? I thought that the aussie regulations were strict, but now its nothing like it! Sorry if I sounded like I was putting women down, but that is what the advertisers think when they are branding a cosmetic and the worst thing is the women go for it! I am looking forward to see what comes of the EU regulations. @microformulation  would know that it is actually quite hard to formulate naturally as every product has its nuances.Thank you for enlightening me on what is happening over there. I would love to know more!

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@Sibech I don’t agree, call it what you want @Mynkcosmo and trust me natural/organic is not going away. I was trained traditionally but natural is coming, look at the stock markets. And as for marketing, if you have a product that you know is not going to work that well, well thats when you can say all the BS you like, thats what marketing is all about isn’t it? I am married to one and he is a total BS! Have you ever done marketing or branding @Sibech Women want something that says its good for you, has a nice pretty picture and nice packaging that’s it!

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@Doreen phenoxyethonal is a great preservative, I used to use it all the time, I believe it was Euxyl 9010, is mixed with ethylhexylglycerin that apparently makes the bugs slide off it.

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@Perry yes they do put preservatives into the hydro sols but are known as incidentals.Well we need to call it that otherwise the organic clients would not like it.

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Use CO2 extraction

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You will need abrasives combined with calcium carbonate, organic alternatives for solvents

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what about buying the powder of the plant, like aloe powder. Not that expensive in small amounts.

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Gunther are you talking about floral water? is floral water the same as the hydrosol, now I have myself confused..

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If there is no EDTA, the cream will turn a rusty colour as spots? I suppose that is oxidation of the metal ions that EDTA usually mop up?

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The cost between distilled water and hydro-sols is massive. Distilled water can be bought very cheaply.

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Try sodium Benzoate  (Ecocert) and Potassium Sorbate (Ecocert), they go together and usually do OK!

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As the Formulator, you have limited liability as this rests upon the
distributor (this is backed up by the FDA and a Regulatory person I
spoke with)

Why is that? as we are the ones that could mix the wrong ingredients?

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How much is 1oz? maybe you actually can get samples for free?

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OK you could go by slow boat or try Making Cosmetics or Lotioncrafter. New Directions would most likely ship overseas a lot now cant hurt by asking?