[DavidW]

@David So do you have any info to add since you were working on a similar project?

[DavidW]

I understood that   No worries, I appreciate your input as always.

[DavidW]

Thanks all.  I know it should be a simple thing but I just don’t have a whole lot of time to devote to bubbles.  As far as homemade formulas it doesn’t make sense as a manufacturer to buy shampoo and dilute it

[DavidW]

I used to make a spray fixative for microscope slides for a company.  I think it was sold to gynecologists offices.  Turns out this was a medical device too.

[DavidW]

IF you are making an emulsion (water and oil phases) it will most likely go in so don’t worry too much.  You can use propylene glycol or octyldodecanol if you want to

[DavidW]

IS this batch the same formulas as the others?  Often you won’t see any pearl until you thicken it up some more.

@Perry and others.  I have see different brands of salt give WAY different thickening results so either use the same each time or be careful trying to add the same amount as your previous batch when adjusting viscosity 

[DavidW]

Carbomer you can buy in 44# boxes from Essential Ingredients in Georgia

Many companies can sell you Methylparaben in 110 Lb container

PVP depends on whcih one you want.  PVP K30 is in 110 Lbs container

You can buy by credit card over the phone and have them ship to wherever you want.  I am in Miami.  Message me if you want.

[DavidW]

Have made many, never knew.

[DavidW]

Seriously?  For records?

[DavidW]

What is the issue?

[DavidW]

How much water are you adding?  Try adding propylene glycol instead

[DavidW]

@bobzchemist Thanks for the suggestion Bob.

[DavidW]

Thanks Mark !!

[DavidW]

Only if customers become obsolete.

[DavidW]

Please list your other ingredients

[DavidW]

If it is for product development it is possible to do it much quicker.  Depending on the product and what is in it.  I’m sure most of the “old timers” on here can develop 90% of cosmetic product requests in less than a week.  After so many years of doing this your know what will work and not work.  Unless it is something new to you.  Now, whether they would or not is another question.  They may choose to develop it, send it to the customer but let the customer know that they have a sample sitting in the oven and must wait before production.

If it is from development to production, then depending on the situation, if everything goes smoothly I would say 4 weeks is reasonable lead time.

[DavidW]

Sulfate free has always been a problem for me.  Being a contract manufacturer I never wanted to buy a blend but could never make the customers happy.  Recently tried a blend from Jeen and while it foamed well (I think) the customer said it left the hair feeling stripped.  Still searching for the good foaming, easily thickened sulfate free shampoo

[DavidW]

I find if you add water and then PQ10.  Mix well maybe with a little heat.  Mix till completely dispersed, then you can add you SLES, SLS or whatever slowly while mixing and no problem.  Just remember to buy the same PQ 10 each time.  Otherwise you will get varying viscosities.

[DavidW]

@Belassi  Not just saccharin.  It also has cream of tartar and calcium silicate.  I am trying to help someone locate an equivalent with those other ingredients. 

@cosdev Thank you

[DavidW]

Maybe I wasn’t clear.  Nothing is actually dropping out.  The concentration when tested of Ketoconazole drops.  We put in 1% and when we send for testing we get about 0.8%, test again a few weeks later 0.7%

[DavidW]

@chemicalmatt check your private messages on here

[DavidW]

Belassi, I’d be interested in something like that for a customer of mine.  I make a few clay masks for them.  Unfortunately not moving to well yet.

 @elisecortes Call Brenntag Specialties and ask for their Vulcanus Kaolin.  It is already gray.  I believe they come in 25K bags.  I have some.  Message me if you need info as I don’t get as much time on the board as I used to.

[DavidW]

What he said ^^^^^

[DavidW]

Thanks Kitty.  I do purchase from them. 

[DavidW]

Kiwi, have you tried talking to your current manufacturer and specifically tell them how you are feeling lately?  As a manufacturer I know sometimes a customer will leave for no apparent reason only to come back a few months later because their new manufacturer was worse than they thought they would be.  Then when you have that discussion over why did you leave in the first place is the first time we find out how they really felt.   This may be able to all be taken care of with a simple and open conversation.

Secondly I know you said you brand is growing but what are your current orders like?  Are you ordering 200 or 500 of each peel?  If so, you can’t always expect your manufacturer to give the same attention as they do to their bigger customers.  There is only so much time in a day.  Are you calling them too much?  I know we strive to give all customers big and small great service.  But when things are crazy busy and you have to get back to a million dollar customer or a $20,000 a year customer the choice is simple.  HAve a duscussion with your manufacturer.  May save you a lot of headaches.