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Now that u mentioned it, I just had a look at some jars I’d previously made and there is some sweat it condemnation in lid where I’m sure I gave it ample time to cool down. As Pharma kind of states above they are based on a high melting point wax, with no gelling agents. 
Not supposing it will solve anything as opposed to hide it but am buying some airless tubes as heard it has many benefits. 

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I presumed just capped off a little too quick, as in let settle a bit longer

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For a shampoo I make we use xanthan gum mixed with glycerin. The surfactants are Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Decyl Glucoside, Sodium Lauroamphoacetate and sodium cocoyl. This is for a basic shampoo though. It looks to me like you’re attempting to make a shampoo/conditioner with your cationic ingredients.
And salt (NaCl) can help thicken it to your liking.

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Hmm, I’ve personally never been a fan of lecithin, but the boss has it in nearly all his formulations at 0.5-1% that I make.

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Would have to post ingredients list or method if we were to try help with problem

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I’d be more inclined to look at your preservative system if this is the case. I’ve often filled from 25-35 degrees and I find that it sinks into the container nicely while leaving a nice swirl on top.

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Agree with Mark. Probably pouring a bit hot. The outsides and what hits the jar dries or forms first, while the inner part is still very warm and creates a drip like hole in the middle. 

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Fill when cream is still at warmer temp? 

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I was going to recommend adding xanthan gum but you’ve got that in 2nd version

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Cheers Mark, this is an option I can cater for and give a try. Ill do some experimenting but what u think the lowest percent of Olivem before I worry about the stability of the product. 

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Thanks guys, after a little more looking I found a product called Siligel (xanthan gum, lecithin, sclerotium gum and pullulan). Claims to be a natural gelling agent with a silicon like feel. Unfortunately looks a bit expensive for my liking tho. 

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Ours is clear white slight viscous as mentioned, syrupy.

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I had this problem a while ago but it was because i was using Suttocide A as a preservative which reacted with citrus fragrances. I changed preservative and problem fixed. It generally took 2 days to turn pink. Sorry im not much help but just something that happened to me.

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Are any of the fragrances citrus as in lemon or lime?

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I may well use glyceryl monostearate. I had Lecithin in there thinking that was my low hlb. 

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Ok, thanks for this info as it prevents me from playing around with percentages of cetyl stearyl alcohol which was the problem in the first place.

My original list of ingredients for moisturiser was as follows:

Water             71%
Witch Hazel   2.2%
Glycerin         5%
Xanthan Gum 0.8%

Cetyl Stearyl Alcohol   7%
Shea Butter                1.5%
Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride 7%
Apricot Kernel Oil      1.5%
Jojoba Oil                  1%
Rosehip Oil               1%
Lecethin                    0.5%
Lexgard Natural        1%

Vitamin E                  0.2%
Fragrance                 0.3%

So looks as though I will be getting rid of Cetyl Stearyl Alcohol and will try replace it with Ceteareth-20/Cetearyl Alcohol at 5% and also add Stearic Acid at 2%.  I will also bring the Xanthan Gum down from 0.8% to 0.5. Looking at the product and how it resulted I can now see (as mentioned above) how the CSA wasn’t taking in the water phase as a good emulsion does as it is more of a thickener.

Thanks for the help/info guys, always appreciated. Live and learn. 

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Sorry guys, I only typed the water phase ingredients as I can see the problem is before I even got to the oil phase and is apparent with only the water phase ingredients mentioned above. I used heat as the oil phase contains 3.2% Cetyl Stearyl Alcohol, 2% Shea Butter and 8% Emu oil. Was thinking and will try next batch I make that: the Ultrez in the jar has compounded into lots of small balls and is not 100% pure powdery if that makes sense. Next time I add I will try sifting it in as may help wet and mix in better. I am with Dr Bob and Perry thinking it has to be the Ultrez. It may be the powdery balls sinking to the bottom and causing these ‘fish eyes’.

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cheers dr bob, its ultrez 21, I was originally neutralising at the end of all ingredients. Eg after both water and oil phases are mixed. The batch turns out all good except for that blob you can fit in your fist that comes out of tap  right at the start. Just wasn’t sure what was causing it.

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thanks microformulation.

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Ah sorry my preservative is Lexgard Natural which i put in at 1% in the oil phase. So I have I% preservative and 0.5% antioxidant. Mite just be rid of the grapefruit seed extract, was just wondering why it made the water phase blobby when mixed with the xanthan.

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Ah thanks Bill, I was eliminating the other ingredients one at a time but hadn’t got to Allantoin yet.
And Yes Zaidjeber that’s correct Microstat 42 Zinc Monoglycerolate.
Ill see how we go now. Thanks again.

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We changed our preservative and the problem went away. I posed this similar question several months ago and Belassi knew the problem straight away.

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not sure if helps but I made shampoo that was turning pink and it was due to the citric oils (lime) mixing with the preservative we were using. Suttocide A in our case. Generally took 3 days to turn pink.

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We tend to use these 4. Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Decyl Glucoside, Sodium Lauroamphoacetate, Sodium Cocoyl Glutamate.

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Hmmm, obviously i have a couple things to look at. All advice appreciated.