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So i tried AOS making 36% dilutant and then using 15% still had a very strong chemically smell that didnt subside by any frag.

Second attempt increased cocoamido propyl betain to 15% 
Aos at 3% of 36%
total formula ASm 12.
Coco glucoside at 7%

got good viscosity , smell manageable with frag. got clear solution with Peg 150 at 1.5% pH 6

didn’t lather much on oiled hair. Second wash had a good lather n feel.

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thanks, @Perry shall go through

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@Perry thanks, I did go through the above mentioned site. i couldnt find a consolidated PDF as on EU regulatory site.

Is there any other way to have a consolidated list so i can avoid downloading each CIR report n make notes out of it?

Also can u shed some light on which regulatory body does INDIA fall into, EU or US FDA

[chemfox]

okay, so let me try making a dilution at 40% and se how that goes, Thanks again

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Thanks

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jjciii said:

I would just like to add, having viscosity build issues myself with a sulfate-free formula (different surfactant blend altogether), guar gum was giving me problems.  Is it actually guar gum or Guar Hydroxypropyltrimonium Chloride?  If it’s the latter it will fight with the xanthan gum (there are many types of xanthan gum) the Guar Hydrox…  is cationic and the xanthan gum is ionic.  I would remove the xanthan gum and replace with  Hydroxypropyl Methylcellulose, Ashland has Bencel K200M and Univar has Methocel 40-1010 PCG.  If your guar gum is actually guar gum you can try leaving it in, but you may have to remove.  I personally like guar gum because of its silky feel.

True i too like guar gum, xanthan gum is Fs grade. but it gives a pretty sticky feel

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@ngarayeva001 - Thanks the Sodium C14-16 Olefin Sulfonate i have is in powder form n says 95% asm and has a very bad chemically stink to it. Do you recommend a smaller usage ? of dilute it and use.

Im trying to keep the asm of overall formula to 11-12.

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ngarayeva001 said:

You will never make that transparent leave aside stable. Even if it looks ok now, you will get sediment and loss of viscosity at some point.
1) SCI is not designed to be used at 5% in a liquid product. It would only work as part of a commercially made blend. Solution: replace with Sodium Lauroyl Methyl Isethionate.
2) You have too many unnecessary claim ingredients that do not add any benefits to a rinse-off product. Solution: remove all of that coconut water, oil, allantoin, panthenol, tocopherol, propanediol, etc. Create a stable prototype, and only then add them back (at a minimum %).
3) Is that peg 150 disterate from makingcosmetics that you need to melt? It’s very hard to work with. I am not saying it’s bad or wrong thickener for this formula, but if you can, use Crothix Liquid instead.
4) The preservative you are using is not the best for surfactant products. Phenoxyethanol can have a very negative impact on viscosity. Solution: for surfactant products nothing can beat Germall Plus (in my humble opinion).
5) Although there is nothing wrong with sulfates and SLSa is on the mild side, it is still a sulfate.

Thanks for ur suggestions, I did use just the water.
preservative i just have DMDMh,  geogard ultra, may be ill try any of those.

 dont have Sodium Lauroyl Methyl Isethionate. have been waiting to get my hand on it..

Shall work on removing the addatives and add them later.

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tea tree is a complete NO NO when nearing animals. especially cats and dogs, . I had a diffuser with some tea tree in it. couple of hours later both my pets had a tough time breathing and sat low on the ground, after visit to the vet we realised that it was the tea tree, with some extensive research did find out its TRUE, essesntial oils r a  complete NO. its very dangerous to the animals

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Its a blend made with activated charcoal n few other clays.  I’ve made the same batch earlier but fail to understand your this one buffered