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@Perry Yes I understand. I have already made a waterbased pomade and I am working on a company in the field of hair cosmetics
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@Perry Thanks Perry ! I have chosen some ingredients : lanolin, honey, sugar, gelatin, Agar gum, alginate, pectin … All in cosmetofood ! I will try with something like that. There is nothing on the market …
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@Microformulation @Bobzchemist @Perry I will try this new challenge !!! Always more !
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@Perry Natural means agreed with COSMOS Organic certification. So, I have to find some ingredients accepted by COSMOS. I think to Honey with a gum (Xanthan) or cellulose or a resin ..
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@ashish I’m afraid of hydrolisis with Ultrez …
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Yes but just after color application, the first step is to wash the hair with a shampoo. So I would like to use an acidic shampoo.
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I’m using DEMI PERMANENT COLOR (oxidation color)
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No I reaaly want to do a shampoo. Because just after color application we have to wash hair with a special acidic shampoo in order to close the scales on the outer surface of each hair. And after we can use a conditionner. But before conditionner there is a shampoo step !
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It is just :
-Water-Salt (sodium chloride or magnesium sulfate or the both)-Glycerin-Panthenol-Propylene glycol-PVP (maybe, just to maintain waves on hair) -
I don’t succeed to find the INCI list :
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I am in Europa and there are already on the market some phosphorescent hair coloring.
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@ Bobzchemist Yes, so we have just 1 phase and it is not possible to get transparency because we have just 1 refractive index. What do you think ?
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@charmer : thank you for your advice. In fact, I tried different % of PVP, and always opaque …
But with a low % of PVP, it is okay. I have to find the good ratio between hold (% PVP) and opacity.@tonyh : It is difficult because, I want a hard formula (difficult to take it with fingers) so I add Ceteareth 25 to maximum (30 %) but it is not possible to package my formula (the solidification point is too high). So I add some humectants to lower this point, but it is not enough strong hold … I have to find the good compromise between the hardness, the strong hold, the low opacity and the possibility of packaging… IMPOSSIBLE !
I have a question : what is the difference between PEG and glycerin and propylene glycol ? Because I don’t know which is the best to use in my case to lower the solidification point without changing others parameters.
Do you have others suggestions to help me ?
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Yes you are right !
I started with just water and ceteareth 25 but it is not enough a strong hold and not hard enought in the package.So I tried :- To increase the level of ceteareth 25 (25 to 30 %) but it is not possible to package it. So I have added PEG and glycerin to lower the solidification point. But It is became white when i worked it in my hands.- To add PVP K 90 but my formula became opaque and white when I worked it in my hands.Do you have some ideas ? -
And an another thing, my formula is white when i worked it in my hand … like a soap … Maybe too much Ceteareth 25 and it is emulated ?
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But in the market we can find some product Layrite pomade or Suavecito pomade where there are PVP and Ceteareth 25 and it is clear crystal formula !!
My formula become opaque when it is packageg and cooled down -
I already tried but it was not worked … But do you think i can add Glycerox HE at the end of my formula and adjust the level by drop ?
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Is it possible to adjust transparency with glycerin ? Because it is not an emulsion, so i have 2 similar phases and there are interactions between theses 2 phases (water and surfactant).
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Others companies suceeded to do this formula with ceteareth 25 and they have a perfect clear crystal formula ..
As I don’t have a refractometer, it is very difficult to adjust tranparency with glycerin, propylen glycol or PEG. I don’t suceed to do this. -
Anybody to help me ?????
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I have to make a crystal clear water soluble pomade. I have difficulties to get a strong hold and a crystal clear formula !
I understand that I just have to add water with C-25 but it is not enough hold. I would like to improve that, so I want to add PVP but my formula became opaque and I have the impression that when I work it in my fingers it emulsifies (become white) …I don’t have refractometer to get transparancy with plasticizers…Have you got some ideas ??My simple formula is :Phase A (85°C)WaterPVP K 30 powderPhase B (85°C)Ceteareth 25 (solids)Phase A into phase BIf I want to package my formula, I can add maximum 23% of C-25.I am waiting for your answer. Thank you !!