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Oh, I get it now. Thanks

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Nope. I am not using urea, my other ingredient is MSM and glycerine. Well, the marketing claim one can make in this case is a smoothing (or wrinkle reduction) effect. Yes, I’ve been my own guinea pig together with a few friends who took some for use, even as an aftershave.

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In my personal formulations (that is for personal usage), I do include LArginine and Vitamin C and I feel an instant firming, whether this is changing the biochemistry of my skin is unbeknown to me, but it does make me feel younger

It was while I was checking to see if there is a market for such that I found those with claims of growth factors and started wondering if a peptide ingredient such as LArginine is a growth factor, too and if this is permitted as a moisturiser, even though that is what I use in my personal regime.

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I was just wondering about using protein peptides such as L-Arginine as a moisturiser, especially after seeing different serums with growth factor claims. If using protein peptides as a moisturiser with no special claims except as a moisturiser would that not be aceptable?

Btw, that link doesn’t seem to be working. Thanks Perry.

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Thanks for all the contributions - much appreciated.

and…..

HAPPY 2016!!!

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@billichemist….. It depends on your formulation, 0.5% - 5% of Sodium citrate is enough.

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Reading through this new guide, the grey area of “Cosmeceuticals” is cleaned out and made clearer, it is either a drug or cosmetics, no more grey:
http://www.fda.gov/Cosmetics/Labeling/Claims/ucm127064.htm

Thanks Perry.

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My advice is to use aloe vera juice and you would be in the safety part of the NSF/NOP rules, why reinvent the wheel.

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@Chemist77, @luiscuevasii, @MichelleReece …. and @David….

Thanks so much for your suggestions. I did not respond on time because I was expecting a backlash from the negative posters on the forum.

If I was in Venezuela, I would have sent at least 5L to you for free! I guess I have some 50L or so. I have started using it for almost everything - handwash, bodywash, solvent for my hyaluronic acid formulations. I wished it wasn’t so sticky, I would have been using it as my main body lotion.

Thanks a mill…..!

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It is incredible that someone would want to vote down a genuine question.

I was probably the first person to suggest this “like” button, but I am a recipient of the opposite - incredible!

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The one I have is off-white in colour and creates a gel IMMEDIATELY its in contact with water. 
What they supplied you is not the real thing.

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I think it’s best to allow the filled bottle to cool before capping.

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The combination of cetearyl alcohol and the lecithin phospholipids would form an excellent emulsifier. Lecithin are brilliant emulsifiers. I use them in home-made liposomes.

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@Perry ….  1500 washes…. and your hair hasn’t turned grey yet?

I can just imagine how sore that scalp would be. If only the hair strands could talk, they would have carried placards in protest and claimed violation of their living rights….

I hope you haven’t forgotten the “like” button.

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Since I started testing formulations, which is some 5-6 years now, i have had no need to buy creams. Good or bad (non-microbially challenged), I use the personally. 

In fact, I sometimes take several showers, just to test the effect of different fragrances in shower gels.

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What about vegetable glycerine?

Won’t it be a good substitute?

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@Bellasi: Yes, it’s such a shame that with all the billions the big corporations make, they still have to be protected that much.

@MichelleReece: Informative article, “Today, colloidal oatmeal is available in the form of moisturizing creams. The high concentration of starches and beta-glucans in oat are responsible for its protective and water-holding functions. The hydration of the skin is one of the most important agents involved in preserving the integrity of the stratum corneum barrier. Oatmeal is a good option for moisturizing of dry or sensitive skin.”

All these are opening my marketing eyes to wording my lines should any of my formulations come back with a similar testimony.

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Yes, I agree with you, @Pharma, but what do you say to this very article that ordinary Quaker oats is providing some topical solution to a debilitating problem?

What would you call this simple solution? Cosmetics or pharmaceuticals?

Now, it is most likely that the actual solution to her eczema is the 1-3,1-6-beta-glucan polysaccharides, which can be extracted and made into a serum on its own.

If a manufacturer makes a serum as such and labels it as a moisturizer and someone like this lady experiences the same, what would the product be called? Would the manufacturer be called into question as making a drug, too?

I think anything that touches the skin is actually pharmaceutical - just my opinion.

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I think it is imperative for marketers to watch their claims and the psychological effect it can have on consumers. I feel the best thing is to be conservative and let the consumers make their own judgments. There was the case of Estee Lauder in 2013, here.

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Just to add an extra line to @Belassi‘s tip: Create a spreadsheet with columns for the ingredients, mass, from there calculating the % would be easy. 

But then, how did you make the product without all these in the first instance.

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I think @Belassi captured what almost ever cosmetic designer will tell you here:

“I once tried to duplicate a body wash/hair shampoo product. It had an LOI about 30 ingredients long. I failed completely. Then I realised I should be designing my own. How on earth would I ever learn to design NEW products if I spent my time copying other people? I set to work and designed a body wash product that worked at least as well as the one I had been trying to copy, and it had nine ingredients instead of dozens.”

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Sorry, i missed this discussion, I have been away for a while….. But, I like the product name - In The Jungle. Brilliant!

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Is urea not a skin irritant? 
Or is there a threshold % where it is okay?
I have always dreaded touching this ingredient, maybe it’s an overreaction on my part.

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Well, I experienced the same in similar formulation, but it held well in a full cream formulation.

Perhaps it should be combined with another such as guar gum. I have not reached a full conclusion as to why there was a separation, it could be because of the preservative or some other ingredient, it may take a long time to find out, but the fact remains that initially it created a beautiful gel.

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@Perry + @Iaskedbetter …… LIKES! LIKES! LIKES! LIKES!