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Thanks MaidenOrangeBlossom. I’ll check those ingredients out!

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Thank you Ketchito. That was a very good article / study that links up with Fareloz’s theory.

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Hi Fareloz, I’m not familiar with the term “base”. Do you mean a lotion base (i.e., Oil of Olay cream to which I then add peptides) or a peptide base (i.e., dry powders instead of liquids that I add to my current lotion)?

I do have to say that, anecdotally speaking, my face says peptides are not marketing fluff. I can’t speak to all of them but Snap-8 and Syn-Ake, in combination, provided real results. I used to use a DIY face lotion without peptides for a couple of years. I reformulated and once I added the peptides it took a good month to build results. I used the “amped up” lotion, sticky as it was, for at least 6 months. As I backed the peptide levels off to decrease the tack level it became very obvious that the lotion was no longer providing the same effects.

For example, the “11” between my brows became a shallow “1” at the 6.5% / 4% level. At the 2% / 1.5% level it’s back to an “11”. We don’t even want to talk about crow’s feet, it’s just sad.

If you could clarify the about the base I’d really appreciate it.

Thanks so much!

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No glycerin.

I deformulated Oil of Olay cream but made a lotion instead. Here are the ingredients I’m using, listed by phase:

Water, Rose Hydrosol, Propanediol, Niacinamide Powder, Allantoin, EDTA.

Hemisqualane, Squalane, C12-15 AB, Dimethicone 350, Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride, Glyceryl Stearate and PEG-100 Stearate, Behenyl Alcohol, Cetyl Alcohol, Cetyl Esters, Sepimax Zen.

Carob Extract Liquid, Sacha Inchi Extract Liquid, Snap-8, Syn-Ake, Panthenol Powder, Liquid Germall Plus, MT-50 Mixed Tocopherols.

I know there are a million ingredients and some might think it’s more complicated than it needs to be. That’s ok, I don’t mind monkeying around with all of the them since they make a pretty great feeling lotion. Although I don’t want to completely start over because this has been a real undertaking to date, I’m happy to try any suggestions given. I do still need to tweak the hemi / squalane ratio but other than that the peptides are the only glaring issue, feeling-wise.

Thanks.

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Hi Graillotion,

I’m an at home “cook” so I have to buy from smaller distributors. My Snap-8 comes from LotionCrafter as a liquid. The other 99+% is water and caprylyl glycol. LC recommends using 3-10%. I received some mktg & SDS info about it back in March. It shows 0.05% acetyl octapeptide-3, which I think is the same as 500 ppm. The Syn-Ake (Dipeptide Diaminobutyroyl Benzylamide Diacetate) is also a liquid and LC recommends using 4%.

I’m finding that I need to use a higher amount of the liquid products (6.5% Snap-8 & 4% Syn-Ake) in order for them to do a good job on my wrinkles. But using those higher percentages makes the lotion tacky. Cutting the peptides back to 2 / 1.5% makes for a really nice feeling lotion but doesn’t do NEARLY as good a job on the wrinkles.

I’m hoping to find out whether it is typically an either / or question or if whether other options are available. Are you saying that using powders instead of liquids should skirt the issue entirely? If so, and assuming I can dredge some up somewhere, is it just a matter of adding them at cool down and not using shear to mix them in?

Thanks for your help!

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Wow! Thank you SO much! It does indeed seem like it might be shear thinning at work. Plus, I never thought to set up an actual experiment with varying amounts of salt and observe them over time. I will give that a try for sure. I’m sure that doing that will also teach me a lot about working with salt in general. Thanks again and have a great day!

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Thank you guys for your help, I appreciate it! Sorry that I posted in this section, it was my first time and I wasn’t paying attention to which heading I was under. 

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Thank you so much! So basic … definitely falls into the “duh” category ????

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My shampoo just feels thinner than a store bought product so it doesn’t feel as nice during the actual rub/scrub portion of shampooing. I’m using Crothix to thicken my product but there’s a fine line between thicker and gluey. I can typically walk the tightrope and it works well at thickening but it just doesn’t provide the good cushion that I think of when I think of shampooing.

I’m hesitant to use salt only because I haven’t mastered it yet. I’ve tried it on 3 different occasions and it hasn’t worked. Once I crossed the line and knew within a few minutes that I’d added too much. Two other times it seemed fine but within about an hour it started thinning. I add it in small increments and wait a few minutes between additions. Is there a rule of thumb to work with respect to the amount salt or is it a scale of experience? Thanks.

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Hi, Perry. I’ve revised my formula as follows: Water: 72.05%, Glycerin: 0.75%, EDTA: 0.2%, 18% SLeS, 6% CAPB, 0.5% FO, 0.5% Germall, q.s. Crothix. I tried the new formula today but am still hoping to find out what will give me the nice, cushy feeling that store bought shampoos do. If you have any suggestions, I’d appreciate any tips or tricks you’ve got. If you do make a suggestion, could you please include an ingredient % as well as the process required? Thanks so much! Sue

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Thanks, Perry. I’ll give it a shot today.