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my contract manufacturer happens to have it in stock and suggested this. It doesn’t seem to have any ingredients that we previously discussed
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@Microformulation what do you think about this combo:
SODIUM LAUROYL METHYL ISETHIONATE +SODIUM COCOYL ISETHIONATE+SODIUM METHYL OLEYL TAURATE+COCO-CAPRYLATE/ CAPRATE
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You guys are awesome! Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts, this was a very informative discussion for me.
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Shoot! I don’t know how I missed decyl glucoside. This is the product; https://www.mooseberry.com/Organic-Baby-Wash-Light-Lavender-p/msc203.htm
I actually copy your suggested shpiel word by word when requesting formulas, in fact this is what I send to the private label folks: “I’m looking for a private label formula for a sensitive body wash (can repurpose baby wash products), I’d like the pH to be in the range between 4.5-5.5 without sulfates and with amphoteric surfactants such (Coco-Glucoside together with Cocamidopropyl Betaine).Do you have anything like this?”
The obvious issue is that they have sales people on the other side and me (marketing person) on my end. I did hire a formulator for my first product, just wanted to see if a wash fits my product line and try private label instead, couldn’t imagine that it would be so complicated to find something. Went through at least 20 formulas already! -
Great discussion.
Please let me know if I’m using up too much of your goodwill! I certainly got plenty of great advice from you, guys, and do not want to abuse the forum. If it’s okay, please check out this formula with Decyl Glucoside provided by one of the vendors:
Distilled Water, Organic Oils of Olive & Coconut & Sunflower, Decyl Glucoside, Xanthan Gum, Aloe Vera, Citric Acid
re: Microformulation I see your point about two different products. The main focus in genitals
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Thank you )
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Got ya, will keep this in mind. Thank you @ngarayeva001 !
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How about this one? Besides limonene looks pretty neutral?
pH is 5-5.5.Aqua, coco-glucoside, sodium coco-sulfate, glyceryl oleate, glycerin, chamomile+calendula+aloe+Centaurea extracts, anthemis nobilis oil, limonene, benzyl alcohol, sodium benzoate, potassium sorbate, citric acid, sodium chloride. -
Guys, @Microformulation and @Belassi you are amazingly helpful, thank you so much!!!! I want to clarify (I explained at the top): I’m picking from available private label options. Unfortunately, I don’t know much about each ingredient myself and the terms that I use to describe the formula come straight from the companies that have developed it. And I’m very grateful for you shining the light on the issues with the formulations. I’m still in the process of looking for a good private label very mild wash formula but as you can see so far I have been a victim of my inexperience and their marketing
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Thanks, @Perry, good to know.
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Thanks so much, guys, for your “mentorens” opinion
What about this formula? I believe they use a super mild surfactant?- Water, Decyl Glucoside (corn germ oil / plant starch)
- Lauryl Methylglucamide (coconut oil / plant starch)
- Glycerin (vegetable derived)
- Behentrimonium Chloride (canola seed oil)
- Dihydroxypropyl PEG-5 Linoleammonium Chloride (vegetable derived)
- PEG-150 Distearate (plant derived)
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To be honest, I had to google “mentorens” and unless you are Danish, it doesn’t make much sense
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Thank you! Would you say it is safer as a leave on than betaine?
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all good points, I’ll consider another formula. Many thanks to everybody who responded
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Thanks @Sibech I guess I just want to make sure that the formulation won’t be too harsh for personal hygiene and does not include ingredients that are on the radar for being potential allergens for most people (albeit I understand almost all besides water could be for some % of the population). As I mentioned, I’m looking for a private label formula, so I’ll have little flexibility there, unfortunately, but the answers of folks here definitely help to guide the selection process.
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Okay, just found our pH is 7. Too high, right?
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Got ya! Thank you for expalining
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Thank you @Microformulation , 2% is enough to form a stable foam? We add it at 10%.
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Have you heard about Naticide? It’s INC is fragrance and they do not disclose how it’s made. PET successful at 1% ina water-based gel. Any thoughts?
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ngarayeva001 Thank you for the suggestion. I’m sorry for asking too many questions, but maybe you could explain why surfactants should not be left on the skin?I can’t seem to find any information online about it
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Also, could you please share your concerns about betaine? Thank you!
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@ngarayeva001 , thank you! Are there alternative options that could create foam and are safe for something like this?
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How about Betaine? I think it’s relatively safe to leave on topical?
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Thank you guys for taking a look.
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The purpose is to neutralize the carbomer
It’s an OTC drug
pH is between 4.5-5.5
Perry, great point Just tried Naticide/witch hazel combo and no tingling.
So I guess Sodium Hydroxide it is. Waiting for a sample with triethanolamine.
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Thank you!